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Why do they (Satanists) want to worhip an evil thing that has caused so much suffereing for the entire human race? Why stand beside complete evil and call it good? What do people get out of a relationship like this? I truly do not understand why someone would choose Satan (evil) over Jesus Christ (Holy).
Do you have any reasons why you worship this fallen angel instead of his and our Creator of the world, Jesus?
Most of these answers are respectively wrong ideals of what Azazel, or Lucifer stands for. The common misconception here is that Lucifer is evil, in actuality true students of Azazel know that "Lucifer" does not condone violence and misdeeds nor does he have a hand in them. When looking at this always remember that Lucifer was and is an angel of Gods, fallen or not he remains true to his creation.... that being a celestial being of god. He has no need for evil, he is simply a fallen angel given a task of punishing those who have committed acts or otherwise resulting in an everlasting torment in hell. To say Lucifer is evil simply because he was cast into hell to watch over, reign over, and torture lost souls is the very same as saying the warden of a prison system is as evil as those he is charged with watching over. There is much thought and assumption over what did or did not happen resulting from his fall of grace, this is all speculation based on a book or manuscript developed by man, regardless on how much of it god has his hand in.... it still is man made. This being a script made by man about a matter of divinity that man simply could not and will not be able to grasp enough to even write 1/23 of. The undying truth we can accept and agree with is that Lucifer was cast out of heaven and was done so because he was a stubborn prideful son, this we do not argue. What we do argue is that he is evil and has his hand in evil works done on earth, this is nothing more then a simple misinterpretation of divine truth. Christianity likes to use parts of the Bible referring to Lucifer tempting others on earth as a premise for a factual conclusion however, they do not choose to look at this for what it is.... a stubborn prideful son rebelling over his fathers creation. Lucifer did tempt Jesus, being that Jesus is a manifestation of god Lucifer took the opportunity to try and tempt God while in flesh to show his perfect creation is not so perfect and that when in that fleshly creation even God could sin. Many other instances in the Bible show this to be true, another one being the temptation of Job where Lucifer tempted him with the permission of God. This act of temptation was not an assault on Job personally, but an act to show God that even his "Perfect" creation would fall to temptation and walk away from him, showing the true nature of humanity. None of this specifically points that Lucifer is evil, but it does point that Lucifer has an interest in proving to God that humanity is lustful, sinful, and are not the perfect creation in which god thought he had made. Those who worship Lucifer, though a great deal of them are misguided, are not in essence evil either. Some of these people commit horrible acts in the name of Lucifer, acts which Lucifer would not condone nor does he take pride in. On the other hand there are those such as the Children of the Light who believe in living normal lives, working at normal jobs, and raising normal children who simple understand and side with Lucifer in this holy battle comprising of God Vs Lucifer. A huge misconception is that Lucifer fights God therefore must be Evil, this is a closed mind view developed by early radical Christianity. Radical Christianity such as Protestantism holds such scare tactics involving demons and hell, as well as their own book of revelations that these followers become fearful of anything other then God and his angels that anything else must be Evil. This is so far from the truth that it brings not only about slander, but also brings about delusional brainwashing. Take for example the American Civil War, shall we say the North was evil? or shall we say the South was evil? with this God vs Lucifer argument we must pick one to be evil. Every war waged in the world has two sides and each side believes the other to be bad or evil, does this make it true? or is this simply one thought process based on the fact that the people of each nation has aligned itself with their perspective sides? i say the later. The divine truth is simply that neither is truly evil, but more that they are fighting for two independent thoughts, beliefs, and theologies. Individuals who worship Lucifer are no more evil than those who walk into a church and worship God on a weekly basis, except that those who worship Lucifer (or align themselves with him). These people have simply chosen their side. To add on to this ridiculously long post, are Islamic people evil at their core? or is it as simple as a radical group who believe in radical thoughts are Evil? again I choose the later. Putting all individuals who align with Lucifer in the same category as those who practice radical and sickening acts as part of a cult is the very exact thing as calling all Muslims Terrorists, or even saying all Christians are responsible for an Evil act called the Christian crusades or the Great Inquisition.
Think on this and let us be more open minded.
I greatly applaud you unknown2212 im am a christian but I still try 2 keep an open mind you made very good valid points on how many people died in da name of christianity but I believe da reason why satin is classified as evil is he chose 2 rebel against God and da obvios fact dact he resides in hell where people a are tortured 4 all eternity but da reason why many people died in da name of christianity in ancient times is because it pissed a lot of people off because da ways of christianity cotradicted their laws and goverment where back then you were forced 2 worshp the governments gods while christianity teaches their is only 1 God and their will b no other gods that stand before him,but da point is jesus taught 2 love your enemies I have a few friends that are satanists(I choose not 2 bring up that subject of religion 4 obvious reasons) and I also have pissed a lot of people off from expressin my beliefs 1 fine example is my ? "how is homosexuality a sin" but maybe because people choose 2 worship satin because they cant find that same peace of mind wit God. when disatorous events happen people usually blame God and ask why would he allow sumthim like dis 2 happen, may be that would b 1 of da reasons, or they were just raised that way
Ok. So first off you think satan is EVIL? wrong. Satan is not evil. Satan has nothing to do with killing, pain,death and suffering. You clearly have not looked into satanism. Satan caused suffering in the human race? How many people have died in the name of christianity? Can you tell me? I think close to a couple million? Thats quite a bit. Now you see as soon as something bad happens christians will automaticaly point to satan, and when there is good they point to god. Sorta like satan is god's scapegoat for being malevolant? I will quote an athiest on this, I forget who it was that said this. "If god is willing but not able, does that not make him powerless? And if god is willing but not wanting, does that not make him malevolant?". Evil? I think its safe to say christianity has cuased more pain and suffering in this world than any other religion. And thats based on fact. Look into satanism before you decide to judge it and speak about it in such an awful way. Do not call it evil, And do not say that satanists stand beside something evil and call it good. BECUASE SATANISTS DONT. You really are oblivious as to what satan is arent you? Read a book. Stop listening to the man in the collar and open your mind.
Guys in the bible God tells us that Satan can appear as an "Angel of light" and I truly believe that he has come to many of you (who claim Satanism as good) as someone who is good and pure. After reading a lot of the comments here I did some research on Satanism and its laws, and yes, the laws don’t stand for anything bad, but this is exactly what Satan wants. Satan is the father of lies and will do anything to stop you from following the Truth, the one and only God, our Lord Jesus Christ. God tells us to be vigilant of this and look out for it. Guys please don’t fall into Satan’s traps... God is all that is good and only through him and no other can we be saved. Trust me, once you get to know your Satan for REAL, you wont be so keen on him anymore. Down here on earth Satan will give you whatever you ask for, and maybe when you pray to god he won’t, but blessed be the man who has faith in our Lord. This is Satan’s earth, and God tells us so, he has control over earth and has a lot of power. Don’t fall for his lies! That’s all he wants! God loves you so much, and it hurts him to see you falling into Satan’s traps.
I'd like to add a comment to my daughter's question here.
Filletofspam said this, " It is evil to punish someone who doesn't deserve it.
We live a finite amount of time, therefore we can only have finite sins.
God dooms sinners to Hell for eternity which is infinite punishment.
Since sinners suffer infinitely more punishment than they deserve God is infinitely evil.
Since God is so evil Satan is comparatively good."
I understand where you are coming from because I believed what you are saying, until I found what to Bible says on this issue.
The Bible teaches us that the wicked will be "destroyed" in the Lake of Fire; they do not burn forever.
God is not evil, He did not cause people to sin. He does not tempt us to sin or give us pain, Satan does all that. God wants us to choose Him to follow not Satan.
If we choose to follow God, then we will spend eternity with our Creator, but if not then by default we choose Satan, and damnation. They will be destroyed. Sin will be no more.
jimahl said" "Orion, I was not the first person to post something that was 'not the topic'. Why point me out?"
I apologize, more than likely the reason I "pointed you out" was because on other occasions you've given me a hard time so when you leave a comment, I am more aware of it than other posts...which doesn't make it right, just understandable.
cap said: "...actually, there's 6 (YES's) on that particular comment ...which justifies a response from the thread's starter. Actually there are TWO other comments (all three addressing the thread topic) that you also failed to respond to. The fact that you DIDN'T, says something.
I don't know what you are talking about...care to explain?
My friends: I used to come in here every single day for at least four hours, until lately. I've been sick and am only able to come in about once every other week for less than one hour. I hope you'll understand if I miss your comment or don't have the strength to answer all comments.
First of all satin is evil! I don't know why people worship that evil thing but if they do it's what they do. You can't change people jesus died for our sins so I hope he has mercy on ya'll soul. and if you want to put crap on the internet talking bout how god is evil and all those stupid stuff that's your problem not mine. Plus because of god and my faith my dreams are caming true I'm actrully going to adutions and being in movies and stuff if I didn't prayed or belive I wouldn't have a director or go on adutions. I'm one of the few people that's lucky to do that. So if you have anything bad to say keep it to yourself. God will punsish you because you judge him and his word. he gives you a choices that satin doesn't, he forgives you for the things you do. Satin doesn't do that. P.S. millons of christions don't die it's non-belivers so get your facts stright and read the bible
im my belif I think that some people worship satin because he lured them in people with bad lifes sometimes start to beileve god hates them so they get into wicka and other occult like behavior some people could be born into a family whom already believes in the worship of the under world god also people who have strayed fom jesus if you could try and help these people out and teach them that satin is not the way then there will be more people haveing an ever lastin life aqll christians should help them to relise the lord God /Jesus cares about them a lot even tho they may be in satins path but satin does not care about them at all or any one for that matter
Satanists (mostly) don't worship the Christian concept of Satan. Most people calling themselves Satanists view Satan not as some evil spiritual being, but rather, as the anthropomorphization of self interest. There are Satanists who view Satan as an otherworldly being, but their Satan is not evil. Instead, he's the demigod of humanity both in this world and the next.
I've heard there are a very few people who actually do worship the Christian concept of Satan, but I've never actually met one either in real life or online.
I don't know why people worship Satan but, as you know, its the devil and, people who believe in Satan, that's there choice to suffer and not get the guidence or help from Heavenly Father. As long as the devil is with these people, more power to him. Once they believe in evil, the holy spirit won't take any part in helping them and, he won't get near them since the devil has the power to create pain, and suffering. I would try to help those people to get out of this situation and, maybe these people will see the light.
***captainassassin, atheists do not believe in God. They do not necessarily believe there is no God.
In some circles the term 'strong atheist' is used to describe someone who believes there are no god(s) vs. 'weak atheist' who merely doesn't believe in God.***
I was referring to most of the atheists on this site. The argumentative ones, anyway. Which would be the strong atheists, in most cases... in particular, the one I was responding to.
Well, without reading everyones answers, I'm going on my on here and saying that Christians do the very same thing that you are accusing Satanists as doing. They take something Evil and try to call it good. That 's Jesus.
I ask you...why do Christians want to believe in something that has caused so much suffering in this world?
I think that Christians and Atheists have a lot in common. You both believe in things that you have no proof of.
angelbaby, of course everybody has a right to worship whom ever they want to, but that isn't the what my topic is about. I wanted to know from Satanists why they choose to worship something evil who has caused all the pain and suffering in this world...
again jimahl, that's not the topic of this post...see above.
cintiaortiz and kcblayer, you are quite right in my book. You've "hit the nail on the head" with your comments, thank you :)
...and the probable reason nobody's responding, is because they don't worship the Satan the she's depicting.
'toadaly' already answered her question, but it seems she's overlooking the response. Because in her mind, the only Satan is the evil red guy with a pitchfork, or some other stupid variation, that Christians have been told to fear and/or 'resist'.
That's the crippling limit of the majority of Christian cognitive ability.
Not my position but a Satanist I talked to made this point.
It is evil to punish someone who doesn't deserve it.
We live a finite amount of time, therefore we can only have finite sins.
God dooms sinners to Hell for eternity which is infinite punishment.
Since sinners suffer infinitely more punishment than they deserve God is infinitely evil.
Since God is so evil Satan is comparatively good.
...actually, there's 6 (YES's) on that particular comment ...which justifies a response from the thread's starter. Actually there are TWO other comments (all three addressing the thread topic) that you also failed to respond to. The fact that you DIDN'T, says something.
...and you make YOURSELF look bad. I just put a big neon sign with pointy arrows over you.
thex13 maybe because we know that if you say you don't believe in Satan, then he has you exactly where he wants you!
You are being fooled into believing he doesn't exist and that makes Satan happy...
But, I must say this; if you don't believe in God it is just as bad. One way or the other you'll end up in the same place, unless you walk in the light.
well... if you think about it (I hhave wondered this too btw) they're probably wondering why do they believe in god??
If you want to hear something really scary, go to youtube and search Stairway toi Heaven backwards... it's so sad... it almost made me cry when my brother showed me... that's how unholy it is... and I'm not even that religous!!!
captainassassin, atheists do not believe in God. They do not necessarily believe there is no God.
In some circles the term "strong atheist" is used to describe someone who believes there are no god(s) vs. "weak atheist" who merely doesn't believe in God.
I don't disbelieve in God though I find the various God theories very unlikely.
the reason people choose to worship satan is because he represent doing whats natural for you as a human being so why not do it qwhay would you follow a religion that completely denies your human insticts and they are so hypocrical what is wrong with indulging in your desires it does not say any thing about doing some thing bad
all we can do is pray for those people. that through some turn of events (such as this question) that they will see that GOD is such a loving GOD, that by denying him they are only denying themselves a worry free life. GOD IS SOOO GOOD. GIVE HIM ALL PRAISE. HE GAVE US FREE CHOICE NOW MAKE THE RIGHT ONE.
it seems as the devil takes too much credit on the things that go bad, it really isn't that way. we turly are sinful by birth, and only by god are we holy. the world has many diffrent point of views on satanist and christians!! if you feel so confused about this, why not ask and pray to god for guidance?
oops, I forgot something. Is it that you can't understand why Satanists would choose to believe in something that doesn't have a Heaven? I feel like to believe in Satan is to believe in God. Can you have one w/o the other? I don't know what the Satanists deal is but I know yours.
"Do you have any reasons why you worship this fallen angel instead of his and our Creator of the world, Jesus?"
Well it really wouldn't matter, since niether of them are real...
Satan is another example of pagan dogma being bastardized by christianity.
Satanists don't believe in Satan, because then they would have to acknowledge the presence of God, whom they also do not believe in. They use the figure of Satan as sort of a mascot, to symbolize the duality of good and evil that exists within all people.
Actually, being atheist doesn't strictly mean someone doesn't at all believe in god. I went to a catholic school and we learned all of that. You should check out this article whoever said otherwise: http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/6-28-2006-100691.asp
becouse plp are idoits Satanism was made in the rebellion of christianity It's not even worth being called evil it's so pathetic on my opinion
here's a site you might find intersting http://www.religioustolerance.org/satanis1.htm
Orion, I was not the first person to post something that was "not the topic". Why point me out?
And it is relevant, since I was discussing the mythic origins of satan, and the fact that it is not real, so the question is moot.
oh cap you really know how to make me look bad don't you...why throw out insults? There is no need for it.
I noticed toadaly's comment and gave him a "Yes" on his comment...I don't mention everyone's comments. . . .
The Bible teaches that those who have the misfortune to be sent to The Lake of Fire (hell) will not be tortured forever and ever, but instead they will be 'destroyed' not root nor branch will be left of them.
*** "I think that Christians and Atheists have a lot in common. You both believe in things that you have no proof of."
I'm curious what it is you think atheists believe in without proof.
because yall can say whatever yall want but satan just wants the world to be a mess. and he hates us. but thats up to yall if yall dont want to believe.
:/ (jesus is coming)
jesus didnt create the world, btw, and since you have the right to worship god, or jesus or whatever, I also have the right to worship satan, or a pile of dog poo if I want to .
because it is there religan everyone has a right to worship who ever they want to but I worship god not the devel. but everyone has a right to worship who every they want to
Hmm here's a question for you why do Christians get more offended/jump your case more when you say you don't believe in Satan than when you say you don't believe in God?
thex13thxchild, I suppose you know that the symbol you have on your comment is a satanic symbol. . . . that makes Satan real happy because he knows he has YOU.
I'm curious what it is you think atheists believe in without proof.
Well, they believe that there is no God. But they can't PROVE there is no God...
Damn it to hell... (pun intended)
That actually makes sense.
Nope, it actually really creeps me out to tell you the truth.
sigh ...all hail satin, the most wickedly-soft bedsheets.
I wouldn't call it 'holy' per se... 'sacred' perhaps.
Maybe THEIR Satan is not the same as YOUR Satan.
LOL captinassassin I am bowing down to you.
cintiaortiz AMEN sister! You said it!
good point captainassassin
Uhhh... if you say so...
DOG POO BE PRAISED!
