God exists 3- the metamorphosis

Well then if see that simply answer the question of when the Multiverse was created and how it was created. That’s all any of you have to do. I have only heard this answer from Krishna when he says he created the Multiverse, if you want to be exact, 156 trillion years ago and he will destroy it in another 155.04 trillion years because the Multiverse will have a total lifespan of 311 trillon 40 billion years. So here are the absolute exact numbers when I figure out the math. 156 trillion years ago the Multiverse was created and exactly 155.04 trillion years until the Multiverse is destroyed. Tell me what your modern science thinks about when the Multiverse was created, and how it was created. I have seen no proof on Science’s side so far, but I have given you exact numbers for not only the creation of the Multiverse but also its destruction and I am not even asking you for the destruction of the Multiverse but only how and when it was created. Is that too much to ask? Thank You and God Bless.

“Semi 1900 will never beleive in God”

Somewhere along the line, I failed to inform you that I’m agnostic. It’s not that I don’t believe in God, it’s that I don’t know that’s is possible to determine if God exists.

“Semi 1900 and I have both agreed to stop arguing this question because nobody’s beleifs will change since either way God or Science cannot be proven.”

Well, that and I realized that researching and posting links to scientific journals on the Big Bang was apparently a waste of my time :)

I do have to say your “Odds of Theism vs. Atheism” gave me a chuckle. I’m impressed that you wrote out all those 0’s. However, what you’re actually referring to are not the odds of which one is correct, but the fact that most of the planet’s population are theists, which some have said makes it more likely that theists are right and atheists are wrong. However, as arachnid correctly points out, that’s not the issue; the issue is that theism itself is not a religion, therefore only one type of theism could even be right and all others wrong. Using those odds, it’s unlikely that any of them are right.

Take you, amblessed and orion for example. You’ve all been arguing against us in favor of theism, but they are Christians, and you are a Krishna follower. Your own concepts of this supreme deity that created everything are wildly different, and they cannot both be correct.

If a supreme deity did create everything and left us proof, how is it possible that we end up with both your belief system and their belief system, which are both mutually exclusive?

To Semi 1900:

Yes I agreed with you cannot prove God’s existence 100 percent and you cannot disprove it 100 percent either. I actually remember you saying you didn’t believe in God but whatever.

“Well, that and I realized that researching and posting links to scientific journals on the Big Bang was apparently a waste of my time”

-The point is you failed to tell me how the Multiverse was created. How was everything created and how can everything come from nothing. Since science does not know this I can assume that it is wrong. Only religion explains how all of the Universes were created. -To address another concern of yours you ask about what God is real. All Gods are one in the same. Krishna says he sends down His sons and prophets such as Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, Moses etc. to spread God conciousness to different people in different places. So Allah and Yaweh are just other names of Krishna in different languages. Krishna has many names. So it is not that any one religion is different from another. They all talk about the same loving God Krishna. Jesus is the son of Krishna and Jesus preached the same message as Krishna. Mohhamed was a prophet sent down by Krishna to teach love of God. Krishna incarnated as Buddha Himself, if you see His 10 dasavatars, to spread the message of nonviolence. So all religons are pretty much the same and they all revolve around Krishna. For more information look at my post to Arachnid and also vistit www.Krishna.com. I hope I answered your question. Thank You.

Having looked at bbb’s postings I am once more reminded that people are not necessarily logical creatures.He spouts a lot of pseudo-science, and though I have not made a deep study of astronomy and the Big Bang Theory I am pretty sure that a real expert would rip hime to pieces. When all is said and done ,he admits that he cannot explain the apparent “intelligent design” of the Universe. Why then make the completely illogical invention of an intelligence which is responsible for Creation-God? Still no answer to the old old question “Who created God ?” If there were some “being” we call God , he would be an extremely complex being and the creation of such a complex being from nothing would be an even more unlikely(not to say impossible) occurrence with even longer odds than the ones he quotes. If anyone is going to say God has always existed then they must by the same token be able to conceive that the Universe has also always existed Can bbb give us his pseudo-scientific odds for the birth of God ? As others have said in various replies to his ramblings about the apparently fine-tuned “balance” of planetary orbits etc. They are only there because with all the trillions of cosmic bodies some WILL fall into the certain narrow criteria, those which didn’t would not be there - they are elsewhere. At least evolutionary science does not proclaim that the complex life systems we see today were created in six days !

To Arachnid:

I have explained how I came up with my Decillion to 1 possibilities in my God Exists 2-The Revival question. You ask why I beleive my God is the real God. I will tell you. I have studied all religions and Krishna is the only person who has ever claimed to be God. Islam belives that Mohhamed is the prophet of God and Allah is just another word for God. Jesus never said he was God, but that he was just His son. So Allah is just another name for Krishna in arabic and Jesus is Krishna’s son. Yahweh in the Judaism tradition can also mean Krishna. There is no God in Buddhism, confuciasim, or Shintoism. Jainism doesn’t believe in a Supreme deity. Wiccans don’t really believe in a Supreme being but in nature which Krishna created. Satanists don’t actually believe that Satan is God, but that there really is no Supreme God. After looking over almost all religions I have found that Krishna is the only Self-Proclaimed God. Nobody else ever claims to be God and Krishna has said that he has sent down His own sons and prophets such as Jesus, Mohammed, and Buddha to preach God Consciousness to different people in different parts of the world. I hope that answered your question.

Okay well whatever, but my question is where did ALL OF THIS COME FROM, You Know the entire Multiverse with all of its universes. You still haven’t told me when all of this came into existence. How long ago was the Multiverse created? How was it created? The Multiverse is actually not even a scientific discovery, it is a religious one. -To postulate an infinity of unseen and unseeable universes just to explain the one we do see seems superficially contrary to Occam’s Razor.

-Critics claim that these theories lack empirical correlation and testability, and without hard physical evidence are unfalsifiable; outside the methodology of scientific investigation to confirm or disprove.

-Som have argued that the job of a scientist is to provide fundamental explanations for observed phenomena, without making reference to observers. Resorting to anthropic principles constitutes a “lazy way out” of accounting for features such as the apparent fine-tuning of parameters in relation to the existence of life.

Personally I beleive in a Multiverse because it is described in my religion. In the Bhagavad-Gita God personally explains how the entire Multiverse was created and when it was created, but you have not told me this, so I still only have God to go off of as the only one who has answered the question of when and how was everything, Multiverse etc, created? Just answer this one question for me. By the way since my might be interested in this I will post a picture of my God creating the Multiverse on this post here.

“‘Basically, the center of a black hole’ I will disregard that mistake of yours.”

You had said the universe started out as an atom, which is incorrect. Rather than disregard THAT mistake, I was using the Black Hole as an analogy to help you understand the concept of a singularity.

“Another thing is you are contradicting modern science because Modern Science beleives that nothing exists outside of the Universe and that the Universe is expanding but not expanding into anything.”

No, actually modern science does not believe nothing exists outside of the universe. Modern science believes there is no such thing as “nothingness” as I explained in my previous post. There has never been, at any point, a total empty void or vacuum. We’ve known this for quite some time as a result of quantum mechanics.

“how can you say that the quantum fluctuations produced tiny particles in space which created a singularity, which produced the Big Bang? “

It’s called the Casimir Effect, and it’s been tested and observed several times.

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/9747

And here’s a better description of a quantum fluctuation http://universe-review.ca/R03-01-quantumflu.htm

These particles which appear and disappear (read the articles to understand why), do not come from a definite point in our universe. However, they do happen randomly and constantly. It’s possible that the singularity which created our universe came about this way, from a universe already in existence. It’s likely that there are in fact multiple universes interacting with each other. Science fiction? Not really

http://www.phys.cwru.edu/~krauss/03ENDrev.html

When a universe is dead, or no longer existing, there is basically a zero energy field or close to a zero energy field, but quantum fluctuations are still happening. Sooner or later at least one of the quantum fluctuations will trigger another big bang.

I’d also like to ask you a few questions about this intelligent designer of yours. Where did he/she/it come from? Has God always been in existence? How is that possible? Why has God always existed? If God hasn’t always existed, what created God? Why did God create the universe, or multiple universes, and only truly concern himself with life on one planet?

Or maybe it’s heretical for us “bad guys” to ask these questions :)

I am still waiting for an answer to my question. Does modern science not know this answer? Well if that’s the case they should stop forcing their erroneous beleifs on other people. If Modern Science cannot even answer this one simple question then it is useless. Thank You God Bless.

Another thing Nebula is that you didn’t even answer one of the many questions that I asked you on my God Exists (1) question. Yet you say I am not capable of logical thought.

Again for like the 10th time, you have not answered my question Nebula. Until you answer my question you do not have any proof.

mhm, sure, bbb.

You’re so steeped in fairytales, that you are not capable of logical thought. Go ahead and lie no one’s stopping you.

BBB, it may or may not be possible to prove or disprove the existence of gods, but it is possible to prove which position is more reasonable; theism or atheism.

Isn’t that worth something as well? But if you want to stop for now, that’s fine. I’m confident you’ll be back. ;)

is this question just here for one person to answer. one person whho you think is wrong? must you really try and prove to everybody that your “god” exists. apparently to you a lot of peoples responses dont make sense. but to me and a lot of other people your questions and “theories” dont make any sense either

TO Todaly:

That still doesn’t explain what created the Universe! If the Big Bang did not create the Universe then what did? I guess the only likely answer has to be God.

Okay, so I take it you don’t know what the word hypothetical means. It does not mean ridiculous. I did not say it doesn’t exist, I don’t appreciate people that put words in people’s mouth, though I’m not sure who would take you seriously Anyways.

There is nothing wrong with what semi is saying “The existence of multiple universes is something that is within the grasp of science to prove.” And I agree, it’s absolutly possible.

bbb, I’d like to know where you get off thinking science is illogical, I take it you’re oblivious to the fact you don’t even understand it.

Yeah, you don’t even understand the basics of the Big Bang. The multiverse is hypothetical.

You lack a natural explanation, or fail to understand or believe the evaluated evidence, so you assume God did it. God is just a myth created by humans.

bbb: Well please, post it again. Such a groundbreaking piece of statistics surely deserves more airtime. If you can’t produce robust math, you need to stop claiming your made-up number as truth.

Assume for a moment that as you claim that essentially, all gods in mainstream religions are the same one. Why assume that that god is the one that created the universe? Why not one totally different and unknown to us?

To: Leogee

As I have already explained Science is illogical because it cannot explain how the Multiverse was created. I ask how the Big Bang was created and you people say that it was created by another universe and then I ask how all of these “universes” were created and you have no clue. God explains how he created all the many universes, but science does not. I hope I answered your question. Thank You.

bbb: Please show your working. I’d love to know how you calculated that “Theism is about 1 Decillion times more likely than Atheism”.

Also, why should the existence of an eternal god be a more likely cause for the creation of the universe than anything else? All you’re doing is replacing one question (how did the universe begin) with a much bigger one (why does this god exist, where did she come from, etc).

Finally, even if you were correct, and some sort of omnipotent, eternal being created the universe, why suppose that it’s the particular being you believe in? Given all the possible supreme beings, it seems far more likely that it’s not.

Well as I stated it isn’t 100 percent possible to prove Theism or Atheism but as I mentioned Theism is about 1 Decillon (1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) times more likely than Atheism but I guess that despite the odds it doesn’t matter because you can’t prove Theism 100 percent, so even though the odds are extremely in favor of Theism it can’t be proven and there is a 1 out of a Decillion chance that Atheism could be correct.

Toadly :Me and Semi 1900 have already been e-mailing each other our long responses and now we are kind of tired of the question and have came to the conclusion that I will always beleive in God and Semi 1900 will never beleive in God. Since it is useless to keep arguing this Semi 1900 and I have both agreed to stop arguing this question because nobody’s beleifs will change since either way God or Science cannot be proven. That is the result we have come up with. God or Science can not be 100 percent proven, so we have stopped arguing this, since there is no way to prove either position Atheism or Theism. Thank You.

BBB, I admire your courage and tenacity… Blessings… for standing up for what you believe in and for being able to share, and debate with getting steamed…

Have you heard of the new movie coming out in April??

http://www.expelledthemovie.com/?gclid=CLOxg9nnwpICFQEfFQod_DKiaw

Don’t know what its about, it just mentioned big science holding out, sounded interesting.

bbbB,

* “That still doesn’t explain what created the Universe! If the Big Bang did not create the Universe then what did? “

Wouldn’t we first have to determine that the universe WAS created, before trying to tackle the question of how it was created?

Relativity has proven that time is not something that the universe exists within, but rather, time is itself an aspect of the universe. To say ‘the universe was created’, implies there was a time when it did not exist. But that’s impossible since time is not separate from the universe. Therefor, the universe exists uncreated.

Well the thing is that me and Todaly are friends and we were debating a final question but then Semi 1900 answered the question instead of Toadly and then things got a little uncivil and so my question was locked, but we are down to the final question of the debate that spanned 3 questions. This debate has been going on for about a month and we are slowly exhausting each other arguments and evidence, and now we will come to an agreement as this is the final question to determine it all.

Okay well whatever, but my question is where did ALL OF THIS COME FROM, You Know the entire Multiverse with all of its universes. You still haven’t told me when all of this came into existence. How long ago was the Multiverse created? How was it created? The Multiverse is actually not even a scientific discovery, it is a religious one. -To postulate an infinity of unseen and unseeable universes just to explain the one we do see seems superficially contrary to Occam’s Razor.

-Critics claim that these theories lack empirical correlation and testability, and without hard physical evidence are unfalsifiable; outside the methodology of scientific investigation to confirm or disprove.

-Som have argued that the job of a scientist is to provide fundamental explanations for observed phenomena, without making reference to observers. Resorting to anthropic principles constitutes a “lazy way out” of accounting for features such as the apparent fine-tuning of parameters in relation to the existence of life.

Personally I beleive in a Multiverse because it is described in my religion. In the Bhagavad-Gita God personally explains how the entire Multiverse was created and when it was created, but you have not told me this, so I still only have God to go off of as the only one who has answered the question of when and how was everything, Multiverse etc, created? Just answer this one question for me. By the way since my might be interested in this I will post a picture of my God creating the Multiverse as my profile picture, so all you have to look at is my profile picture to see God creating the Multiverse.

I will now address your questions.

I’d also like to ask you a few questions about this intelligent designer of yours. Where did he/she/it come from?

• God has always existed and He came from Krishnaloka a planet situated in the spiritual world beyond the material universes. The material universes are the Universes shown in my profile picture. God lives above that.

Has God always been in existence? -Yes God has always been in existence

How is that possible? -This is possible because God is a soul made of spirit like you and I. Living things are made up of spiritual energy so they are eternal. They have always existed and will never cease to exist. Life takes on material bodies that die out and wither away, but the soul is eternal and never dies out when the body dies, God is the Supreme Soul so He is also eternal.

Why has God always existed? -There is no reason He just exists. I could say the same thing to you why are you existing?

If God hasn’t always existed, what created God? -I really don’t need to answer this since I said that God has always existed, just letting you know.

Why did God create the universe, or multiple universes, and only truly concern himself with life on one planet? -God created all of the universes because a long time ago when certain souls rebelled against Krsna (God), and wanted to enjoy life without Krsna, Krsna gave these souls the opportunity by creating the material universes. Krsna respects everyone’s free will so he let the souls leave Krsnaloka and go to the material universes. In the material Universes souls take birth in various species on various planets due to their Karma. At first the souls are punished for their rebellion and sent to Hell. After spending many years on hellish planets, they move up to Earth-like planets where they first take birth as bacteria and then move up into more and more advanced species until they reach the human form. Once the human form is reached a soul can either degrade himself by being reborn an animal or a plant, the soul can be reborn on lower planets, or it can be reborn in Hell. On the other hand once a soul gets to the human form, he can be reborn as a human, be reborn on higher planets, celestial planets, or even go back to God Himself to stop the cycle of birth and death. Once the human form is reached the next life is determined soley on Karma and if a soul gets reborn as an animal he must take birth in all of the species above that animal too. He must climb the evolutionary ladder “if you will” . If a soul gets reborn in Hell then he will spend millions of years suffering in Hell and then be reborn on lower planets for millions of years, then once he reaches Earth he must be reborn into all 8 million 400 thousand species, starting with bacteria, before he gets a human birth again. If the soul gets promoted to celestial planets and is reborn there he will spend thousands of years there enjoying heavenly luxury but once his merit is exausted he will go back to Earth-like planets to live. The statement you make about God only concerning Himself with one planet is false. God made life on every planet, every moon, and every star in every universe. Most places have life that are much more advanced than here on Earth. God made life everywhere, but we cannot percieve all of this life. The simple explanation is the same reason why Bacteria cannot percieve human life. Human life is too complex for bacteria too understand so they cannot distinguish human civilization from nature. In the same way we cannot percieve life on other places like the Moon, Mercury, Mars, The Sun ect, etc, because there the life is too advanced for us to percieve just like human life is too advanced for a bacterium or a single-celled organism to percieve. Most places have much more advanced life than Earth does, and thus we cannnot perceive life on the Moon, Mars etc, just like the bacteria cannot percieve many life forms on Earth, due to the fact that most of the other life forms on Earth are much more advanced than the Bacteria. In the same way Humans can’t perceive life elswhere in the Universe because most life in the Universe are much more advanced than Human life. This makes sense because Earth belongs to the lower planets so the lifeforms on Earth are the least intelligent and complex. Here lifeforms are made of carbon. On places such as the moon and the Sun lifeforms are made of Ether. The thing about the soul is it can’t be destroyed. It can be burned, frozen destroyed by nuclear, atomic weapons etc. This is why life can exist on places such as the sun, because just like we have bodies adapted to the earth some creatures have fiery bodies adapted to the sun. God put different organisms in diferernt places for a reason. He put fish in the water because that is where they are comfortable etc. He made Earth for humans. This is why no matter how much you look for planets around the 70 sextillion stars you will never find a planet suitable for human life because God made different planets for different species. The other planets are either too hot too cold, or too poisonous for us to live in because they were made for other species and not us. I could explain to you much more, but I don’t want it to get too long so I will make it short and end my explanation here. If you are interested in what I just said you can learn more from the Bhagavad-Gita As It Is from the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON). You can view the Bhagavad-Gita As It is and many other Vedic books for FREE, by going to www.Krishna.com. I hope I answered your questions, and I hope you answer mine. Thank You.

* If the Big Bang didnt create the universe,what did?The only logical answer is God.

The only logical answer is that the universe exists uncreated.

you cant fill unanswered questions by saying something like ‘the tooth-fairy did it!” same here in my opinion… why cant we just admit we dont know and either move on or put our energy into finding a solid, fool-proof answer!?

If the Big Bang didnt create the universe,what did?The only logical answer is God.

well have fun with your little battle but it really could have been done in your funmail

God exists. ;D go bbb

I see that this question has slowed down. Well I am glad I have shown people the way of God. Now that everybody finally believes that God Exists, I am glad. The mission of all of these questions has now been reached. Well Thank you everybody and God Bless.

I’ll funmail you a response to this.

It seems as if Modern Science keeps changing. One atheist says this and when I quote him another atheist says it is garbage. When I talked to Semi 1900 we fun e-mailed each other extensively and He said that the Big Bang was produced through quantum particles from another Multiverse from the fabric of space time. Before anyone posts another response I think you should look at the conversation between me and Semi 1900. This is the long extensive conversation that me and Semi 1900 were fun mailing each other about and I will post it all here so I do not have to answer the same arguments over and over again. So please read this part of the conversation. We have already come to the conclusion that Science cannot prove how the Multiverse was created, and only God can prove it. That is why I will post our conversation that you guys didn’t get to see, so I don’t have to keep answering questions from some point I already proved. It’s not fair to you guys that me and Semi 1900 were already very deep into a converstation and now we are starting from a point that the rest of you were not able to view, so obviously I need to catch you up so you don’t keep asking the same questions that I have extensively proven to Semi 1900. It was his idea to start Funadvicing the Posts. Another thing is that This is the third stage of the question. To fully understand how evolved the argument has gotten you should view the questions in order. Start by reading God Exists, then start with God Exists 2-The Revival then Start with this question. It’s just like Star Wars, you don’t want to start watching from the third movie. Anyway here is the conversation you guys didn’t get to see. It will probably answer most of your questions so that we don’t start from step 1. Most of this question has taken place as Fun mails between me and Semi 1900. I call this conversation the “Lost Conversation”

BBB

Okay you can respond back to this with a Funmail -Okay well whatever, but my question is where did ALL OF THIS COME FROM, You Know the entire Multiverse with all of its universes. You still haven’t told me when all of this came into existence. How long ago was the Multiverse created? How was it created? The Multiverse is actually not even a scientific discovery, it is a religious one. -To postulate an infinity of unseen and unseeable universes just to explain the one we do see seems superficially contrary to Occam’s Razor. -Critics claim that these theories lack empirical correlation and testability, and without hard physical evidence are unfalsifiable; outside the methodology of scientific investigation to confirm or disprove. -Som have argued that the job of a scientist is to provide fundamental explanations for observed phenomena, without making reference to observers. Resorting to anthropic principles constitutes a ‘lazy way out’ of accounting for features such as the apparent fine-tuning of parameters in relation to the existence of life. Personally I beleive in a Multiverse because it is described in my religion. In the Bhagavad-Gita God personally explains how the entire Multiverse was created and when it was created, but you have not told me this, so I still only have God to go off of as the only one who has answered the question of when and how was everything, Multiverse etc, created? Just answer this one question for me. By the way since my might be interested in this I will post a picture of my God creating the Multiverse as my profile picture, so all you have to look at is my profile picture to see God creating the Multiverse. I will now address your questions. I’d also like to ask you a few questions about this intelligent designer of yours. Where did he/she/it come from?

• God has always existed and He came from Krishnaloka a planet situated in the spiritual world beyond the material universes. The material universes are the Universes shown in my profile picture. God lives above that. Has God always been in existence? -Yes God has always been in existence How is that possible? -This is possible because God is a soul made of spirit like you and I. Living things are made up of spiritual energy so they are eternal. They have always existed and will never cease to exist. Life takes on material bodies that die out and wither away, but the soul is eternal and never dies out when the body dies, God is the Supreme Soul so He is also eternal. Why has God always existed? -There is no reason He just exists. I could say the same thing to you why are you existing? If God hasn’t always existed, what created God? -I really don’t need to answer this since I said that God has always existed, just letting you know. Why did God create the universe, or multiple universes, and only truly concern himself with life on one planet? -God created all of the universes because a long time ago when certain souls rebelled against Krsna (God), and wanted to enjoy life without Krsna, Krsna gave these souls the opportunity by creating the material universes. Krsna respects everyone’s free will so he let the souls leave Krsnaloka and go to the material universes. In the material Universes souls take birth in various species on various planets due to their Karma. At first the souls are punished for their rebellion and sent to Hell. After spending many years on hellish planets, they move up to Earth-like planets where they first take birth as bacteria and then move up into more and more advanced species until they reach the human form. Once the human form is reached a soul can either degrade himself by being reborn an animal or a plant, the soul can be reborn on lower planets, or it can be reborn in Hell. On the other hand once a soul gets to the human form, he can be reborn as a human, be reborn on higher planets, celestial planets, or even go back to God Himself to stop the cycle of birth and death. Once the human form is reached the next life is determined soley on Karma and if a soul gets reborn as an animal he must take birth in all of the species above that animal too. He must climb the evolutionary ladder ‘if you will’ . If a soul gets reborn in Hell then he will spend millions of years suffering in Hell and then be reborn on lower planets for millions of years, then once he reaches Earth he must be reborn into all 8 million 400 thousand species, starting with bacteria, before he gets a human birth again. If the soul gets promoted to celestial planets and is reborn there he will spend thousands of years there enjoying heavenly luxury but once his merit is exausted he will go back to Earth-like planets to live. The statement you make about God only concerning Himself with one planet is false. God made life on every planet, every moon, and every star in every universe. Most places have life that are much more advanced than here on Earth. God made life everywhere, but we cannot percieve all of this life. The simple explanation is the same reason why Bacteria cannot percieve human life. Human life is too complex for bacteria too understand so they cannot distinguish human civilization from nature. In the same way we cannot percieve life on other places like the Moon, Mercury, Mars, The Sun ect, etc, because there the life is too advanced for us to percieve just like human life is too advanced for a bacterium or a single-celled organism to percieve. Most places have much more advanced life than Earth does, and thus we cannnot perceive life on the Moon, Mars etc, just like the bacteria cannot percieve many life forms on Earth, due to the fact that most of the other life forms on Earth are much more advanced than the Bacteria. In the same way Humans can’t perceive life elswhere in the Universe because most life in the Universe are much more advanced than Human life. This makes sense because Earth belongs to the lower planets so the lifeforms on Earth are the least intelligent and complex. Here lifeforms are made of carbon. On places such as the moon and the Sun lifeforms are made of Ether. The thing about the soul is it can’t be destroyed. It can be burned, frozen destroyed by nuclear, atomic weapons etc. This is why life can exist on places such as the sun, because just like we have bodies adapted to the earth some creatures have fiery bodies adapted to the sun. God put different organisms in diferernt places for a reason. He put fish in the water because that is where they are comfortable etc. He made Earth for humans. This is why no matter how much you look for planets around the 70 sextillion stars you will never find a planet suitable for human life because God made different planets for different species. The other planets are either too hot too cold, or too poisonous for us to live in because they were made for other species and not us. I could explain to you much more, but I don’t want it to get too long so I will make it short and end my explanation here. If you are interested in what I just said you can learn more from the Bhagavad-Gita As It Is from the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON). You can view the Bhagavad-Gita As It is and many other Vedic books for FREE, by going to http://www.Krishna.com. I hope I answered your questions, and I hope you answer mine. Thank You.

Semi 1900 I posted a response on your userpage before you posted this one, so I didn’t see what you added about your religion. However, by your own admission, you don’t know where God came from or why he exists. I know why I exist, because of human reproduction. That’s why you exist too. As for the concept that God created the universe, and souls, what proof do you have of this? It is a set of beliefs. You said that there is life on every planet and every moon, and that we can’t perceive it. Then how do you know it to be true? What evidence do you have of the existence of ether-based life forms? If you can’t prove they exist, or if they’re too complex to understand, how do you even know they are possible? If humans can’t perceive life on other words, then as far as we’re concerned, they don’t even exist. As for the notion that humans can be reborn as “higher” beings, again, you are forcing a burden of proof upon me and then failing to live up to it yourself. Can you offer me proof that I can eventually become a “higher” being and perceive of “higher” life? How do you know a soul will spend millions of years suffering in hell? What is hell? Where is it and what proof do you have of its existence? I haven’t found any answers to these questions. on your site.

Semi 1900 I just saw your comment about me running out of things to say. Seems like kind of a cheap shot to take since I had logged out to do other things, and since the advisors locked the post before I could respond, but whatever. Obviously, I haven’t run out of things to say, and I never will. I’ll leave you to consider my last two responses, which you haven’t gotten back to me on yet.

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I thought I already explained that God created the many universes for the rebellious souls to live in. Those souls who did not want to be with God, were respected by God, so God respected their free will and created universes devoid of his direct prescence, so that these souls could enjoy without him. In a way the material universes are prisons for souls do go through. It helps them reform and when the finally realize that they can’t be happy here in the material universes, they come back to God. They come back to God when the realize that they need Him in order to be happy and they devote their lives to Him. You can find a lot of information about all of this on www.Krishna.Com. Another thing you must know is although I beleive in Multiverse Theory because of my religion, Multiverse theory is not scientific and cannot be proven by our primitive human society because we lack the technology and intelligence to do so, so technically since humans are not advanced enough to observe other universes it is not scientific and cannot be a scientific proof or answer. Thank You.

Semi 1900 You explained your religious beliefs, and then I questioned them, and you haven’t explained them to my satisfaction. I have looked at the Krishna website and it hasn’t answered the questions I asked you either. The existence of multiple universes is something that is within the grasp of science to prove. As I said, the universe was born out of chaos, not order, and there is no evidence of intelligent design. There is no reason why the universe was designed, nor is there any indication that a supreme being planned it all. In reality, science has shown us that most of the universe’s origins were very random. I stand by my views, and you stand by yours. I think that’s as far as we’re going to get.

BBB Hey Well I’ve gotten back to you now. I just got home from work, so I didn’t have time to respond to you, but I have now, so you can see. Thank You.

Semi 1900 Well quit trying to rally the other theists to your cause, it’s very juvenile. Besides, I think we’re done here. We’ve reached an impasse. I’m not going to convince you, you’re not going to convince me. We’ve exchanged a few ideas, and that is good enough.

BBB Okay well, then we will end it here, but I am not rallying any theists to my cause. It is just that they like what I do and are impressed by it. I can’t help it if people like me.

So here is the conversation we had to determine this question. And Nebula I only talked about the Multivesre because that is what Semi 1900 the atheist said that the Universe came from. Since both of you are atheists I thought you both believed in the same thing but I guess all of you atheists like to change your story and make up different things, but anyway I aksed Semi 1900 one simple question to prove how his “Multiverse came into existence and when it came into existence and he answered neither so now I have proof that God created the Multiverse since it says in the Bhagavad-Gita how and when he created the Multiverse but the Atheists with their modern science can neither tell me how the Multiverse was created or when it was created. Krishna says in the Bhagavad-Gita that he created the Multiverse 156 trillion years ago, and that he will destroy the Multiverse 154 trillion years from now, but your modern science tells us none of that. Modern science is just guessing and all atheists come up with their own view of science. Semi 1900 talks about a Multiverse and Nebula says that a Multiverse does not exist. So both of them are atheists and believe in modern science but both of them come up with different stories, which leads me to believe that God exists and science is wrong since God’s word does not change but all of these atheists have different words, that constantly change when the run out of things to say. This is supposed to be truth, not one person’s interpretation of science and another person’s interpretation of science. Semi 1900 says that Multiverse exist through scientific proof and Nebula says that the idea of a Multiverse is ridiculous. So which atheist is correct? Which view of modern science is correct? Is modern science just anything you make it? Only God is correct and not the innumerable views of Modern Science. Please Read this post before making any futher posts. I am sure I answered all of your questions, if you just read it. I have spent a great deal of my time putting all of these responses together. Thank You. God Bless.

I was reading your other questions and you said that god is punishing the world because of atheists? seems to me like hes more of a devil than a savior, another thing is you say these theories these scientists are saying are wrong well the thing is at least these scientists are trying to give you an answer instead of just saying “god made us”. im not saying that they are right, but its a better theory than saying some “god” created earth in 6 days and rested on the 7th. you say you have proof that god is real? do you have a picture? have you ever seen him? do you know anyone that has seen him? and I dont mean in some dream or some vision, I mean some concrete evidence that hes real. the thing is (yes I am an atheist) that atheists dont have to prove that he isnt real we just dont believe in him, YOU HAVE TO PROVE TO US HES REAL, and you have not done that, all youre saying is scientists are wrong but these people have studied for years I doubt you have as much knowledge as them. religion was made in a time where people didnt really understand the world, and were very superstitious so if something happend that they could not understand it had to be some higher power. god does not exist, and I dont know how we got here and ill probably be dead and my great grand children and their great grand children will probably be dead by the time we find out, if we ever even do find out. but atleast im not holding the world back by just saying some god made us. youre saying you know when the universe was created? wow lol now youre just being kind of dumb, you have not given any proof you have just said a bunch of numbers of this and that. god is not real, religion is probably the biggest brain wash ever in the history of man. what im trying to understand is why do you care if other people think god is real or not? and if you say by not believing your god is making people rape and kill kids and women than I wouldnt want a god like that, even the bible has its flaws, people are always saying satan is bad, but do you know why hes bad? (I dont believe in satan either im just trying to understand how you can believe this bs) think about it if the bible was real that would make satan a better person that god, god creates adam and eve and tells them not to eat from the tree of knowledge with out explination, a serpent appears telling them to eat the apple in order to gain knowledge, god wants you to be ignorant. how many people do you know that satan has killed? yet god kills millions in a flood because they dont believe, and if the story of moses is real then god killed women and children because the egyptians would kill and enslave the jewish people, if he was all knowing and powerful why didnt he just kill the pharaohs and everyone else that was evil, instead of innocent children that didnt know any better because thats how they were raised? seems to me like your god is a crazed mass murderer. like I said before I dont believe in god because there is no reason for me to believe in a god I just said all that to show you that religion is one big hypocrisy. the only reason you believe in god is because you have been told to believe. and I dont care if you do, but please dont blame all of the worlds problems on atheists and that god is mad at them, you believe in god so didnt god give us free will and choice? to answer your question no I dont know when the universe was created and im not going to say some thing did because I dont, and now you say “im glad that now everyone believes in god”? whats wrong with you dude? why are you forcing your beliefs on other people? THATS WHATS WRONG WITH RELIGION THERE CANT BE ANY OTHER POSSIBLE ANSWER IT HAS TO BE GOD, WHY? once again I dont believe in god and nothing you say will make me believe, nothing anyone says will make me believe, and I dont think anything you say will make any other atheists believe either so keep thinking youre making a difference lmao. I probably misspelled a bunch of words I dont care you still understand me.