To clear up errors with atheist part 2

Atheist don’t wish to “convert” people to atheism, believe me. I don’t know but it seems like Christians believe they are “saving” you from hell, or something like that.

And I don’t know why some religious people are desperate to believe the world is only thousands of years old.

Once again, I’m not claiming that atheists don’t debate people, and that people don’t give up their religion as a result. What I’m saying is that atheists, as a rule, don’t actively go out there with ‘conversion’ in mind, while religious people do.

* “we know that a Jesus Christ Existed 2,000 years ago, so Jesus was a real man “

Sorry, but we really don’t even know that much. Christian history is explained more simply without a historical Jesus than with one.

I want to say if you get any REAL proof please im begging you tell me if you do come up with any proof that is remotely real I will believe in god and read the bible and live by it…but only if you give me proof

Sorry, if you’re trying to convert us atheists, neither “it’s so obvious”, nor word games, nor argument through analogy are going to be particularly persuasive. Only a well reasoned argument from empirical evidence is persuasive, and the whole evasiveness of god makes that rather difficult.

I never said it did. I didn’t say nobody was converting - just that we’re not going out and actively trying to convert people, for the most part. I’m guessing by your lack of response that you’ve had no atheist door-knockers? I’m not surprised - if you’re going to talk about people being “keen to convert everyone”, atheism isn’t the place to look.

peacemakin, Christians believe that not believing in God is to close your eyes to truth , wisdom, hope and love. . . . I’d rather live with Hope for the next life than life with being nothing more than worm food.

rnealw: For the nth time, no, I’m not claiming that no atheists have ever attempted to ‘convert’ christians. There is, however, a difference between conversion and persuasion or reasoned argument, and you’ll see a whole lot more of the former from religious people. Again, how many atheist door-knockers do you see?

Science and neither prove or disprove Spirit and God is Spirit. And you want a Scientific Answer? God gave us all the answers we need all you have to do is open your eyes and mind. . . .

* a difference between conversion and persuasion When someone is persuaded to change a belief the change from being persuaded to being converted. . .

Don’t you just love those flaming comments from nebula. . .

it’s only obvious Christians are wrong, ahee, ahee.. They attack Evolution theory, and yet still believe Noah’s ark actually happened The irony.

The Religion section obviously isn’t just a place for religious people to discuss issues among themselves. It’s also a place for atheists and agnostics to post, and many people post questions obviously directed toward atheists, agnostics, and humanists.

http://www.funadvice.com/q/how_could_evolution_provide http://www.funadvice.com/q/is_there_actual_scientific_proof http://www.funadvice.com/q/god_exists http://www.funadvice.com/q/christianity_43404

If you don’t like having atheists, etc. come on here and post their views, ask the advisors to make a separate forum where Christians can chat with only Christians and label it as such.

In all honesty, you can’t even prove your own existence. All of our separate and subjective realities are based upon chemical and electrical impulses interpreted through our brains. This could all be an illusion. But then again mathematically speaking it is very likely that God does exist. You can use the same calculations that you would use to prove the likely hood of intelligent life in the universe and apply it to God, with a few variations. Carl Sagan did this in his book “Billions and Billions” And basically you have better odds of winning the lottery every day for the next 40,000 years straight than for the universe to have ended up as it has randomly without some direct intervention.

* we’re not going out and actively trying to convert people. Questions from atheist seeking to sway the beliefs of other lead me to believe otherwise. In the art of Debate you seek to prove your point and sway the beliefs of others, Same as anyone else does. . . . If you sway a christian to believe that God does not exist they have been converted to the teachings of the Atheist. . . So yes you do seek to convert others otherwise you would not state what you feel to be right. Every time you leave a post here teaching Evolution you are Actually and actively going out into cyberspace seeking to sway someones understanding, So you are actively trying to convert people.

jaceb.. WE DONT NEED ANY SCIENTIFIC PROOF. dont you get it???

science is wrong sometimes too..

like for example my dad was watching tv about scientists and they said this snail was like 5,000 years old… guess what it did… it came out of its shell and started crawling away (or whatever snails do) we dont need scientific proof for everything

funadvice I like how you come here from the last blogs I read of yours and now feel so supperior for not listening to a word arachnid typed yes atheist also convert people thats the way we as a group become bigger what arachnid was saying is that christians mormons jehovas witnesses they go door to door trying everybodies patience with their imaginary friend that they want everybody to believe in science can be wrong but so is god by making women inferior to men and cursing the black people which I dont believe

Google define “convert” make (someone) agree, understand, or realize the truth or validity of something; “He had finally convinced several customers of the advantages of his product” a person who has been converted to another religious or political belief I rest my case on that definition of convert Convert does not only refer to religion. . . . I thought you guys were smarter than that. . . .

Sorry didn’t make you cry Arachnid. . . If I said you had convinced me that Evolution was a fact would it not be called converting to the evolutionist way of thinking? And If I said tomorrow that God did not exist and mean it would I not be converting to the Atheist way of thinking And Are you not hoping to prove to us that god does not exist so that we will convert to your way of thinking?

Oh for crying out loud. I give up, rnealw. I think it’s clear that you can see the difference between atheists and theists when it comes to “converting” people, but are refusing to admit it. I’m not going to play any more wordgames with you about it.

twilightgrl911: The fact that science can be wrong is an advantage. It means mistakes get corrected, and we develop a better view of how the world works. Pretending to be infallible is a bad idea, it means that mistakes don’t get corrected and you never learn anything.

* “I thought you guys were smarter than that. . . .”

…why are atheists expected to be smarter than average? Plenty of us are dumb as dirt.

That is no proof that he EVER existed. Maybe it’s proof though faith… but I don’t see any proof through science.

There is no converting to atheism. One just needs to admit that there is no such thing as the supernatural. Until one does that, they are in denial.

Actually I thought you Atheist were trying to convert the rest of us.

rnealw: When’s the last time you got an atheist door-knocker? When was the last time you got a religious door-knocker?

God is contradictory, religious people say nothing can exist without an intelligent creator, but that immediatly contradicts the existance of God.. because with that logic he would need a creator. But their response is “He always has been” Surly if God can have a nature without a cause, then the laws of physics can have their own cause and their own nature.

There will never be proof, and never has been proof of any Gods in my opinion. Because they are not real. They have always been an explanation.

domzila, mathmatics to try and prove any God might be valid, but it still does not prove the existance of God, mathmatics used to simplify the number of intelligent life in the universe, is only an estimate of something that is likely. However “Gods” in this case would only be intelligent life. Not in the defination of an all-knowing all-powerful creator, which I find impossible.