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If there is a God, how did he come to exist???
I've heard of the big bang theory... but I havent heard of any theories of how God came to exist?
Anyone know?
Who ever said that the human body was designed by accident, or the rest of creation? And people were educated in that way... thats how humans excelled so much, we had the ability to build and think logically about things... but we had no idea about science or the earth or physics and chemistry.
But every religion believes that their religion is right... so why would christiantity be the right one? Just because people 'preech' it... doesn't make it true. And there is no proof that people go to heaven... or hell... because nobody has the evidence... I think that christianity is blackmail personally... not much of a choice is there... believe in God or be condemned to an eternity of suffering... nice one God.. thanks for giving us that choice...
Any many people study religion... and many believe that others are the right ones. I think that there is a reason that most scientists are atheists... because they are thoroughly educated about everything... and they can see that theories are a lot more logical than... this big 'being' created the universe.
People say that there is hell because of the devil... but surely if God was as powerful as he is... he could overpower the devil...
The two biggest pieces of "evidence" of god's existence are miracles and creationism. However miracles can be explained many different ways, many more are not miracles at but are science or human perseverance. And some miracles are just probabilities...
Then there's creationism, so many people try to prove the unproveable, and it seems that some people are arrogant and the idea of evolution and to think that humans evolved from lower... more stuped apes is offensive, many try to dismiss it as just a theory, and turn to the bible instead... even when there is so much evidence that evolution is the correct theory. And... there are quite a few large holes in the theory of creationalism, first... what about all of the fossil records? Did god make a mistake with the dinosaurs or did he just carve the 'mythical creatures' out of stone?
Secondly.. if the earth is only 6,000 odd years old... how do we see stars billions of light-years away from us? Did God somehow decide to slow down the speed of light when humans came around? Evolution is more than 'just a theory' because scientists can reproduce it in the lab... and think about this... humans have been doing their evolution 'projects' for canturies - farming ... every time we breed a faster horse... a cow that gives more milk... genetics... which is natures faster version of evolution.
Then why is evolution the accepted theory...? All of the 'evidence' of creationalism has bad reasoning, misinformation and bad science...
So I'm not worried about rotting in hell... because just look at the facts... they speak for themselves I think.
The name Allah (God) in Islam is the personal name of God. The most concise definition of God in Islam is given in four verses in the Holy Quran: {{Say, "He is Allah, [Who is] One, Allah, the Eternal Refuge, He neither begets nor is born, Nor is there to Him any equivalent."}} (Holy Quran 112: 1-4) This four-line definition of Almighty God serves as the touchstone of the study of God. Any candidate to divinity must be subjected to this ‘acid test' and since the attributes of The Creator given in this chapter are unique, false gods and pretenders to divinity can be easily dismissed using these verses. 1) The first criterion is «"Say, He is Allah, one and only"». Can there be more than one god? This verse tells us that The Creator is the only one who has total and absolute power, unique in His names and attributes. 2) The second criterion is, «'Allah is absolute and eternal’». The word that is translated as “The Eternal, Absolute” from Arabic is something that can be attributed only to The Creator as all the other existent beings temporal or conditional? It also means that Allah is not dependant on any person or thing, but all persons and things are dependant on Him. 3) The third criterion is «‘He begets not, nor is He begotten’». This means God was not born, nor does He give birth and share his divinity with others. Nor does He have a family or relationship with another being. 4) The fourth test - which is the most stringent - is, «"There is none like unto Him"». The moment you can imagine or compare ‘God’ to anything, then he (the candidate to divinity) is not God. It is not possible to conjure up a mental picture of the One True God because of the simple fact, as creation, we only know creation.
First off... I'm a girl =P Which prophecies are still being fulfilled at the moment?
I just think that, its all about belief... come on... God does not show himself to everyone, and there is no scientific evidence for the egistance of a god. For religion, you need to have faith. I don't have... faith... that the sun will set tomorrow, we know it will based on proven principles in science. So surely that means that faith is a belief in the unproveable. I don't know about everyone else but I find it hard to believe in something that has no evidence...
Its like... God was used when people were uneducated... but in doing so it opens up even more unanswerable questions. Science does a good job of explaining the world around us, it is consistant and we don't have to rely on unproveable theories.
And... how do people know that their faith is the right God? Is the bible the only evidence you need of a christian God... then what about the books in other religions. For most people... your religion is a result of the place of time of your birth... just like if you are a christian now... you wouldn't be one if you were brought up in India... which is mosty hindu.
Surely... the logical thing to believe in is science...
First off... I'm a girl =P Which prophecies are still being fulfilled at the moment?
I just think that, its all about belief... come on... God does not show himself to everyone, and there is no scientific evidence for the existance of a god. For religion, you need to have faith. I don't have... faith... that the sun will set tomorrow, we know it will based on proven principles in science. So surely that means that faith is a belief in the unproveable. I don't know about everyone else but I find it hard to believe in something that has no evidence...
Its like... God was used when people were uneducated... but in doing so it opens up even more unanswerable questions. Science does a good job of explaining the world around us, it is consistant and we don't have to rely on unproveable theories.
And... how do people know that their faith is the right God? Is the bible the only evidence you need of a christian God... then what about the books in other religions. For most people... your religion is a result of the placce of time of your birth... just like if you are a christian now... you wouldn't be one if you were brought up in India... which is mosty hindu.
Surely... the logical thing to believe in is science...
Not at all lmejia7...
If you consider that god existed with (or without) a cause then why couldn't our own universe?
And definitely in the case where things attributed to god can now be explained through science. I do think a natural explanation is more coherent with what we observe about the universe.
There is no scientifc evidence that god exists, albeit an ancient myth used to explain things they didn't understand or have an explanation for. Developed in a time period were it was commonly thought that the world was flat, geocentric, the moon made its own light, and the sky's a dome that the stars were fixed on
This is indeed how the world would appear without the aid of scientific observation.
Such erroneous thought is what creationism is derived from.
According to theists, complexity requires a creator, If we follow that logic- the universe was created by god, and god a being infinitely more complex than the existence we are trying to explain, was created by a god, that was created by a god, and so on
What I'm saying is that if you consider that god exists uncreated then why couldn't our own universe? Wouldn't it make sense to exclude god all together.
Make sense now.
I agree that it's all about faith. He reveals Himself to those who truly seek Him. The proof for me is our surroundings and mostly to me the design of our bodies and the rest of creation. I just truly believe that we are to intricately designed to have happend by some accident. I don't buy that. When I get into studying the human body, I just don't see how we or anybody for that matter can believe we are by accident.
People must have been educated pretty well to have built such monuments that still exist today that are in the Bible. Pyramids and ancient greek god statues etc.
I agree also that your religion will most likely be based on where you are born at the time. In this case that's why it is the Christian's job to tell the good news to the whole world. That is why we have missionaries all over the world, to spread the gospel. Then all who hear's has a choice to believe or not. So that when judgement day comes and you stand before him. You will not be able to say "well I didn't know."
I have studied many other religions as part of my own personal research and have truly concluded that this is the one.
Well... there is no proof whatsoever that God exists... yet many scientific theories are accurate, many many years of research goes into them, the scients test them, test them again, and again and again, and other scientists test them. And the big bang theory is a widely accepted theory by a lot of scientists and people.
I just don't see how it is logical to think that God created everything. Especially when theories like the big bang theory are a lot more probable. Doesn't anyyyone agree that the God idea is farfetched.
And people say that God created humans and the animals... what about evolution? That is a theory, a very widely accepted theory. I think that less people are going to believe in God as technology is advancing so quickly... and there are many theories for things that God was used to explain.
I know!
He is not failing at anything. We as a human race are. That is why he set his commandments in place. So let's look at your comments. Billionares decided to choose to make money there God. There's the first commandment broken. The hunger on the other side of the earth refuse to believe in the true God who will provide as promised. Instead the keep choosing to believe in their current God and that seems to be working. The person who raped the little girl broke commandment 8, 9 and 10. If you want to accept His challenge in John 14:15-21 you will see the proof. He will manifest Himself unto you. And hey if you don't believe this stuff then you have nothing to worry about right? And if I'm wrong then I'll die and just rot right? But if your wrong then what?
1mejia7- He is not failing at anything. We as a human race are.
That’s exactly the mindset of a religious person;
If something good happens to them – It is god who did it or made it happen!
If something bad/sh!t happens to them – It is because it was them themselves Who were a bad person and who deserves it or might be tested!
Exactly these situations which create communities who simply can’t think For themselves, they can’t take action when something bad happen, Because they can’t think realistic whilst feeling so sorry a$$ for themselves! NEITHER can they feel proud of themselves when they gain something, which They themselves worked very hard for it, because in their mind, they didn’t let This happen, their god did!!! Sad Sad situation
So when my children break my rules I should leave them be and continue to do so? I mean where do I draw the line? How did you come to THINK that it was right to be a good person? Through the way you were raised or you just grew from a child to now and you just knew to be good?
I decided to check into this bible thing and see what these whacko christians are all about. I didn't get started because if not hell is the alternative. God knows who's serious or not. There will be plenty of people who say they are christian who will be in hell as well as good people . Because God is not looking for a religious people or good people. He is looking for a people whom are faithful and willing to have a relationship with him personally not traditionally and religiously.
Youcancalmejess
The Bible does not say the earth is 6,000 years old. Obviously you gather your info from bits and pieces of what you hear. Also there are animals in the Bible that have the desriptions of dinosaurs with different names since the word dinosaur wasn't even invented until 1841.
The fact of the matter is man started becoming to smart for there own good and simply decided they didn't need God or his ways. Just like an adolecent child who thinks they know everything, when their parents are simply trying to steer them away from trouble.
If that is what God is doing with us and you don't need His help than thats on you. We are going to have to agree to disagree.
I asked this same question to a pastor in a youth group I went to with a friend when I was a kid. His reply was, 'Read the first four words of the bible...'In the beginning God...' That's the only explanation anyone has. God just always has been. No one created him/her/it. According to most religions, him/her/it IS the creator. I have since given up on religion in general because there is no clear answers to any questions. You're told to just accept things because some book says so, and I can't do that. If you want to believe Zarnon from planet Garnash created God, then you can. There is no proof that this belief is any more or less credible than God just 'always has been'.
lmejia7:
I won't disagree with the fact that we as a human race are failing. Humans are nothing more than parasites that consume and exploit everything around them with little or no regard to the actual consequences. But, I refuse to believe the only way 'goodness' can find itself in our hearts is through the threat of eternal damnation. What's wrong with being a good person just because you think it's right, not because 'God' gave his commandments to 'Moses' and we have to follow them or else? And believing in something just in case or just to be safe, is the highest form of cowardice.
God came to exist because of very rich imaginations and fear of the unknown…
Lmejia7 *** Meaning he can be every where at once.***
You THINK or you KNOW???
Seems like he is failing in all the promises he made, because On the one side of earth there are billionaires and the other side people dying of hunger. In one city, people praying in churches And at the same time, around the corner a little girl raped.
So tell me where is he exactly???
Athleta4life - in his dimension, there is no death, no begginning, no end.
How do you know this for a fact?
What are the chances of human beings placing him on such a pedestal, simply because of the unknown and unexplainable? This is human nature and if you know your history, you would also know this is not the first nor the only god who has no death, no beginning and no end!
in our dimension of existence, it requires time.
it requires a beginning, and an end.
but what about Gods dimension???
does the creator really need to be Created???
He has always 'been' there.
in his dimension, there is no death, no begginning, no end. so does bieng that is not dependent on any of these things...need to be involved in any of these things???
Let's say I consider that for a moment. How then do you explain prophecies that have been predicted and fulfilled and are still being fulfilled? Like Youcancallmejess above has stated that he believes people will believe in God less as time goes on. The bible predicts this very thing happening in Revelation and other books.
4) The fourth test - which is the most stringent - is, «There is none like unto Him». The moment you can imagine or compare ‘God’ to anything, then he (the candidate to divinity) is not God. It is not possible to conjure up a mental picture of the One True God because of the simple fact, as creation, we only know creation.
God is eternally existant. He has know beginnig and he has no end. He is all knowing all being omniscient. Meaning he can be every where at once. We can't understand God because we have a limited mind. But God is infinite. Trying to know all God knows is like trying to fit the ocean into a tea cup.
Jane of the Jungle
Your problem is you have so much pride you can't stand the concept of conforming to God's rules.
Furthermore, I'll bet your afraid that WHEN you find out God is real your evil deeds will be exposed and you simply can't handle that.
Now that is a sad situation.
Man didn't start to become too smart for their own good... what we know now are proven facts... sorry if its logical to believe the proveable rather than the unproveable.
Lol... yeah we are probably going to just have to disagree =]
Consider that god existed with an origin, then why would our own universe require a creator?
Wouldn't it make sense to exclude god all together.
It depends one what religion you are...everyone belives sumthing different theirfore everyone has a differnt way 0of belivein how god exsit ..
So are you saying because you don't understand how God came about we should exclude him altogether?
I'm not asking who created this world, us or animals... I'm asking how God was created...
dont really know. lol. maybe when the big bang happened he just sort of appeared:S
Not in my opinion...but creationists will argue the same of the big bang theory.
who else created this world, us, animals??? hmm how bout that??
But something can't exist from nothing... can't they...?
You FEEL you are at peace because ignorance is bliss.
Oops, sorry about the double post guys.
Translation: YOU... DON'T... KNOW...
Apparently he just always 'was'.
Nice copy and paste =/
No one knows
Touché lol
