Scientology: cult or religion?

warmheart, I doubt you know much about either of the religions/groups that you mentioned. you sound very ignorant, to be honest. sorry. (actually, this comment could go out to most of you). who are we to say whether or not they are cults or religions? have you all been to their services? read their books? experienced them? didn’t think so.

do the research first, people.

and no, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not a cult. I can comment because I’m LDS. Is anyone out there a scientologist? I ‘d love to hear from you.

they are stalkers…if you go in their church they won’t leave you alone..no matter how many times you tell them to..they will come to your house…they are stalkers…and -thedude- you are willing to join a “religion” just for money?

It is a cult same as JW or LDS and wiccan. Prayers of discernment for you my friend, you are too young to be disuaded by peers who have no following of truth.

The only difference between a cult and a religion is it’s size or age. Once a cult becomes big enough or old enough, it’s called a religion. Scientology is big enough to call it a religion.

wicca is not a cult

No true Christian alienates, forces a tithe, coerces, exploits, or any other put down on another person. Jesus has everyone’s name in His Book of Life, if we choose to accept His calling.

It is left completely up to us. We decide truth by what He has written and all we can do is plant seeds of His love for each and every one of us and how we can live for Him until He comes back for His Church.

Blessings for all who question Him and seek the LORD’s face. We all do in joyous wonderment of His Awesome Holiness and Greatness (I cap all His Name and this stuff out of reverence to Him).

Let’s see how Christianity fares to the cult test:

1. Coersive persuasion; threats of hell. Check.
2. Charismatic leadership; priests, preachers, etc. Check.
3. Exclusivity. “You have to accept Jesus”. Check.
4. Secrecy. Fails this one for the most part.
5. Alienation/changes in values. Check.
6. Exploitation; tithing. Check
7. Totalitarian worldview, we/they syndrome. Check.

Other than secrecy, Christianity passes the cult check. But if you go back to it’s origin, it had that aspect as well.

@arachnid: Tom Cruise. :)

Isn’t he the head of it now or something? Anyway, if he’s into it, then maybe it is a religion..and maybe a good one. Let’s be honest: if your church, club or cult can guarantee me some money of that size…well, then maybe I’ll start taking it more seriously :)

WARNING!!! SCIENTOLOGY’S RONBOTS DIVIDE AND DESTROY LOVE AND HOMES

Power Comes From Knowledge of The Enemy

Ronbot is a pejorative term for some or all fanatical followers of Scientology. The term is a pun on Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard’s first name and the word robot. The term Ronbot is meant to express the habit of Scientologists of being so programmed with the “Tech” that they can’t express their own viewpoints on life, because that has been suppressed and prohibited of them from doing so. The fanatical Ronbot never doubts any thing he is told by staff, never investigates, never thinks beyond what he is told, never seeks to know more than he is permitted to know, never refuses to turn on his family, never reads what he is told not to read, never refuses to hurt the feelings of his family, never refuses to kill the love he had for his family, never refuses to go to your neighbors to spread lies about you, never doubts PTS or SP data, never seeks other ways to heal any symptom, never wonders why he is so fanatical and why? Never wonders why he hates SPs, never refuses to hurt, damage or harm an SP, never doubts he is superior to us, never refuses to obey his masters on staff, etc. The fanatical Ronbots that guard the military bases and navy of Scientology are ordered to kill or shoot at any SP or ordinary intruder that comes near or invades their ships or bases, even if it is their own parents who go there to get them out. He is so robotic that the killing of his own parent will not produce the same mental effect that it would produce in us – if we killed our own father or mother, whose only crime was the hurt of disconnection ordered by the Anti-God cult. Ex-scientologists view a fanatical anti-god Ronbot as a brainwashed Robot, since he can’t ever leave the Tech and express his own view points. His reading material, his TV viewing and his interpersonal relationships and what he says and the way he talks, are closely monitored by other Ronbot Staff. If they discover that he went out with or talked with an SP and read material from Anti-cult websites, he is in deep trouble and must now face an ethics review. He in fact does not have his own viewpoints, but just thinks so. His mind is so flooded with the Tech that to speak to, associate with, date or love a person who is classed as an SP is instant insanity (drastic down-tone slide) and he will be classed by the Anti-God Cult as a “risk” or PTS. Remember this fact—that all true fanatical Ronbots have a weak mind and spirit, no matter their IQ or years of word clearing. They are actually very willing to be a slave of the Tech without question. In the CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY YOU HAVE NO CONSTITUTION RIGHTS SUCH AS FREE SPEECH – you are told what to think, do and say. Your actions, your friends your relations, your books, and everything else you can think about is RESTRICTED to their approval. In the CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY YOU HAVE NO CONSTITUTION RIGHTS OR CIVIL RIGHTS SUCH AS THE RIGHT TO MEDICAL CARE OF YOUR OWN CHOOSING – IF YOU ARE SICK IN ANY WAY. YOU ARE PROHIBITED BECAUSE YOU ARE CLASSED AS A PTS PERSON AND AS SUCH, YOU HAVE NO FREEDOMS. YOU ARE NOT A FREE MAN OR WOMAN,ABLE to do as you please at home, read what you please at home, your home TV set has a little censorship lock on it placed there by the cult to keep you inline. Even your thoughts and innermost secrets are investigated and if they are considered wrong or un-approved by your ETHICS OFFICER you are taken (scammed) for more money. The fanatical Ronbot was told that “suppression is illness and illness is suppression”, therefore he thinks that all illnesses come only from suppression or a PTS condition. Remember that Ronbots are told that “all illnesses to a greater or lesser degree are due to only a PTS condition”. Any illness or symptom makes a fanatical Ronbot turn on anyone he was near in the past 72 hours. He is programmed to believe that his Mother or Father now is a Monster called a“SP” or “Suppressive Person. He is never given the facts on “symptom re-stimulations”. He is never told about it being a physiological reaction, he is never told that all symptoms and illnesses are physiological reactions and that some symptoms can be re-stimulated by stress and arguments. And those symptoms are never the same for all; because every one has different deficiencies and different levels of toxins in their body that will always bring out a different symptom each time he is argued with. Remember this one fact that Scientology rejects—“symptoms are not illnesses!” But Ronbots are never taught the true causes of real illnesses, and are trained to despise their parents when they get a symptom of a real illness. Symptoms can be re-stimulated by many real causes of illnesses even by stress—which in the cult is accepted by the brain-washed ronbots as “suppression”. Scientology NEVER teaches Ronbots that symptoms are really physiological reactions of all life on Earth. A physiological reaction is an effect of some cause. The real causes of all illnesses produce the symptom. They use this brain-washing about symptoms, in order to control them and make them hate whoever opposes the cult. In his weak fanatical brain-washed mind, he can’t ever accept that legal and illegal drugs, chemicals, parasites, toxins, toxic plants, mutated foods, Nuked (irradiated) Foods, or poisonous animals or insects, poisons, viruses or bacteria or over acidity etc., are the only and true causes of illnesses in the world. His mind rejects these well known facts as SP propaganda. When he faces you in the street—he can’t see you, he can only see what is programmed into his brain-washed head. To him, you are the SP monster who is no better than his SP father or SP mother he turned his back on and now hates and/or distrusts. He is not free to think for himself–therefore he is a ronbot. It is senseless to argue or fight with a Ronbot—he needs de-programming—he needs to be told he is a Robot and that he can’t pull the plug and reset his brain. Do not confront a Ronbot the old way – just pity him and dare him to talk with you about how Physiological Reactions are connected to study tech. Dare him to have a friendly conversation with you—the more of a Ronbot he is – the more he will be afraid to go to ethics for daring to talk with an SP. The fact that is easily proved is that he is really SCARED to have a friendly conversation with you – to him you are a suppressive person – to him you are a MONSTER – the kind of monster his cowardly mind could not face in his nightmares. The Anti-God cult will threaten any person with total exposure of all their confessed sins and secrets, if you dare leave, EXPOSE or confront them. That is the weapon that controls ALL CELEBRITIES, PROFESSIONALS AND COWARDS. The weak have given up their soul and now find that their confessions of their own sins and deep dark secrets – will be made public knowledge. In every confrontation with Ronbots, the programming that he has received will force him to ask for your crimes and sins and secrets. He sincerely believes that you are against the Cult, ONLY because you have sins of omission and commission. Explain to him that he has sins and secrets too and that you would like to know his first, since he brought up the issue first. But don’t ask to hear them as a threat or condition to talk with him—if he refuses to give you his own sins and secrets—let it pass as long as he is willing to talk with you. Just get him to talk!!! Warning!!! The Ronbot is trained to illegally set-you up as per SP policy and fair game rules and be able to call for the police to get you arrested. If he attacks you or looks like he will, turn your back and let him attack you when your back is turned. Put your hands in your pockets and never let them out. If you are going up against them have the incident filmed and documented. He will viciously insult you and scream at you and even bump and push you with his stomach or chest to make you lose control and get arrested. When he bumps you – fall down and call for the police, because he has just assaulted you and caused you to fall and hurt yourself. Do not argue with or insult a Ronbot, talk with him in a polite way even if he disgusts you. Arguments are commercial Controversies and make you lose the game. Get him to identify who he is and find out if he has property (House) or a website. He if is connected to any website that libels your actual name on it—he just made you rich. If he assaults you and you can prove it –he also made you very rich. Read the Uniform Commercial Code, commercial laws or common law remedies, Commercial Affidavit of Truth Method, notary acceptor and look up sovereignty UCC or anti-corruption websites to learn how to counter-attack them and take them for all they are worth. After you study the UCC, hire a Private Investigator to find out who owns or runs the website. Write them thru a Notary third party witness and accept all their attacks on your name for value. That is the way to become a true RONBOTHUNTER. Thru the “Commercial Affidavit of Truth Method” – You can bring your common-law commercial suits against any Ronbot and the Cult itself, who is used by the Cult to harm you. Under the Constitution –You are the Law. You don’t need attorneys or judges or courts to file a UCC lien on them – once you PERFECT your UCC lien. Know this for a fact. – His brain is not his anymore. He can’t be proactive and dare to talk with a person who he was told is a MONSTER. But if he dares to talk and you only ask questions and never argue with him. He will begin to doubt and you know what happens to him after he is in the Condition of Doubt. He is as evolved as a snail-or he was one in another life. In this life, he consented to be a mind-slave. Just dare him to read and dare him to talk with any anti-cult person on a friendly basis for at least one hour—dare him to get to know you–by then after that hour he is now a damaged ronbot to the cult—he won’t be trusted and now he is on his way to freedom from control. For you to defeat the Anti-God “Church” of Scientology you must expose these truths about how Ron discovered Study Technology. Once you put this NEW DATA into his brain, he is now damaged goods and is no longer a Ronbot, but a suspected PTS person never to be trusted again by the Cult. To save a RONBOT BRAIN you must deprogram it with NEW DATA.

“KNOW YOURSELF, AND KNOW YOUR ENEMY, AND IN A THOUSAND BATTLES YOU WILL NEVER BE IN PERIL” — SUN-TZU, THE ART OF WAR

Sincerely yours,

Ronbothunter All Rights Reserved

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Thedude: Considered a religion by who? It has tax exempt status in many countries, meaning those countries’ tax departments have been persuaded* to consider it a religion. In Germany, it doesn’t have tax exempt status and is definitively considered a cult. Personally, I think it’s a cult. It has all the hallmarks of one - expecting you to give them all your posessions, break off all ties with your past life, etc.

• Often through pressure from Scientologists.

He’s one of their ‘celebrity spokespeople’. I don’t see why his participation makes it a religion though - more likely it just means he’s crazy. :)

Also, from what I’ve heard, they treat their celebrities very differently to their run-of-the-mill members. And it’s generally you giving them (lots of) money, not the other way around.

It’s considered a religion.

However, I’d label any such group where it was created, oh, in the last few hundred years a cult, rather than religion.

Why? Because, back in the dark ages, people didn’t know any better…however, today, there is a lot more media & attention given. Could you imagine, today, somebody claiming to be god made flesh?

:) There would be endless testing, nobody would believe it, the TV broadcast everybody would write off as special effects, etc, etc.

Scientology is also less than 60 years old or so…and you’re not supposed to get vaccinated, but you can use medicine that’s a few hundred years old. So exactly why do they draw the line at a certain treatment, because it hasn’t aged sufficiently?

I consider it to be a religious cult.

cult

and why are they so desperate to get someone to follow them…a friend of mine bought some books and now they won’t leave her alone