Jews going to Heaven

Jews are part of the world’s only ethno-religion. So YES, you can be half Jewish.

that’s a little presumptuous ellebelle

Being Jewish isn’t an ethnicity, it’s a religion!

There is the Jeiwish Faith, of course…but Jewish is also ethnic…it is both.

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The way that it was explained to me when I was a Christian was that Jews had their own covenant with God and would be judged according to Jewish law. Jesus supposedly gave believers an easier and surer way to get salvation.

“why do all those things exist?” What kind of question is that? >_> Uh, like, why does god exist? IF he exists.

ellebelle: thank you for expounding on your answer!

Nobody knows… period…

The New Testament claims that being Christian is the ONLY way. Well, that leaves too many people unaccounted for. There are people in this world who have never been exposed to Christianity, by no ‘fault’ of their own, and it makes no sense, for God to send them to hell for not living near a chuch. Infant deaths are ANOTHER issue I have with this ‘’ONLY WAY’’ rule. The Christian ‘way’ has LARGE holes in the plan, that are not explained… and it is because of that, its not believable.

Read Romans 11. Jews are going to heaven. All Israel will be saved.

God has made his message so simple that virtually anyone who hears it can understand it. If a person decides NOT to accept it that means that person will live eternally without God. Some say that God has made a way for every human being on earth to hear of his message for salvation (his son dying for our sins) and some say that if there are some people who never hear of God’s plan (and this is what I believe) as some in say, a third world country, then God has to judge that person on how he/she would have believed had he the chance. Since God knows all, which includes if someone would have accepted Christ or not had he heard the message then he bases his judgment of said person in that manor. The OT people were saved by God’s law. All that changed after God came to earth in the form of a human, Jesus. Jesus died for our sins, period. Simple. If you accept that in your heart, you will spend eternity with God. So to answer captainassasin’s question – there is only ONE way. Jesus. And anyone who hasn’t heard about Jesus, then God will judge that person on what he might have done had he known. Same as asinhisservice stated, just in different words. As an aside, Jesus never pushed himself on anybody, so neither do I. But I think it wise for unbelievers to check out the bible, maybe starting with the book of John. Give Jesus a chance before you spout off that there is no God or heaven. Please for you own sake just don’t just argue for the sake of arguing. It may be a fatal mistake and it is not cool to be an athiest as a lot of people seem to think these days.

I explained TWICE that Jesus is the only way in the most articulate way I could. For people who have not heard about him, he is still the answer. See above. I’m not going to type it again. This you must know: christians do not in any way or form have ALL the answers to every question. The bible does not cover the problem of people who never hear the message and what God does with them. So as a christian, I have come up with a very believable answer as to how God, as a merciful God, deals with them. This is a big problem with non-believers–they expect christians to know all the answers and accuse them when they don’t. God will never let us have all the answers but he does provide us with what we need to know. If we had every answer then there would be no need for faith - faith being the main thing God wants from us. Since you “know more about christianity than most of the christians on this site,” then I guess you have all the answers. So then why all the questions?? I think you are searching. Do you read the bible at all? Many questions are answered but not all. And I tend to believe if God wanted us to know how he deals with people who have never heard about Jesus, then he would have let us know. This may be one of those things that God considers between him and that person. I can’t answer everything and neither can anybody else, so I truly wish non-christians would quit expecting us to be able to. We can never know all that God knows; only what he allows us to know. You are dealing with humans here; finite minds, not the infinite mind of God. I cannot explain better than that as our belief is based mainly on faith –if it wasn’t we’d be God. Hope I have answered some of your questions. But I can’t do better than this so this is my last post as I have said all I can say. I exhort you to study God’s word and not be so eager to put down everything a christian says. Deal mainly with God and not so much what people say and you just might understand it all better. Peace.

bou: I am not even the least bit upset. What do you mean by that? Because I questioned ellebelle why she believes she is going to heaven? It is simply out of curiosity that I asked as she didn’t explain why she belives that. I am just looking for answers, that’s all :) Nothing more, nothing less. I like to hear all opinions and then form my own.

yeah… im jewish and if there is a heaven, im going I mean, just because I don’t think jesus was God’s son (come on! thats so not possible) doesn’t mean I’m going to hell. Christianity came out of Judaism… and really (I believe… with good resoning) the new testament is just the old one (the one God gave us) with a bunch of made up chapters added. I’m not saying those people didn’t exist, I know they did- it’s history, but Satan… hmmm.. no mention AT ALL in the original bible. (please don’t think I mean this in an anti-Christian way or a mean way)

Clearly according to the Bible, God’s Word - anyone, no matter their background, in order to gain Heaven as their eternal home MUST be saved - that is having accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior - the ONLY way - one verse says it simply and totally, John 3 : 16 - it is not complicated / a child-like faith - entry paid for - it is my hope and prayer that all will be saved, especially here.

There’s no such thing as heaven, or God. I’m thinking that there may be a hell, but really. Once we die, we’re dead. All the shiit about ghosts and spirits, I can’t say. But I’m sure there is no God. -.- If there was, wouldn’t we be 100% sure?

I swear, most the people on here just want attention.

im 4/36th muslim does that mean im a taliban?

im sorry, I think you misunderstand religion with ethnicity please activate brain cells before posting

:D

Ibelieve, why did you get so upset about her/him going to heaven? Do you want all jews to go to hell or something?

ellebelle: can you expound a bit on why you believe you will go to heaven? Not to question you but I would like to understand what makes you believe that. Are you a Messianic or an orthodox Jew?

Calm down, kids! Let’s not have this turn into a religious hate fest. Either you’re all wrong, or you’re all right. Respect your peers. That’s something we can all live by. You don’t like what someone else believes? Keep it to yourself.

They don’t believe in Jesus being their saviour because he most likely is not. What did he supposedly do untill he was 33 years old or something? Read the Torah? And then he decided to make Torah Tome Two =P One more thing, if he is one of the gods “parts”, isn’t he supposed to be all-knowing too? So why bother reading?

Also, the other reason could be because jews knew he was making this stuff up =P

One more thing that I’ve been wondering… before they made/wrote the bible, and mr. John or whoever that was stated that the only way to be saved is by accepting Jesus blah blah, how did people get to heaven before that? Did they all go to hell?

JESUS CHRIST!!! JEWS AREN’T GOING TO HELL! In the christian faith, it is said that when jesus died on the cross he went to hell, he separated the sheep from the goat, and grabbed adam’s hand and led him out of hell. This was said until about 70 years down the road after jesus died. Paul gave this speech, if I remember correctly from what I learned in catholic school. So before jesus everyone ended up in hell. But I think this total bs because if you believe in the trinity which is that jesus is god, god is jesus, and jesus and god are the holy spirit, (like the 3 forms or water, water ice, steam, all the same thing) jesus knew he was going to die on the cross but if he was god he knew he was going to resurrected would it off made his death less meaningful! I say yes.

Ofcourse not, it just sounded like… well, like, as if she shouldn’t. Guess I got you wrong =P

I did answer that there is only one way. BUT…if there is somebody who hasn’t heard, then God has to provide a way for that person. Jesus is the only way. But God is so merciful that he would never condemn anybody just because they haven’t heard that. He wishes that nobody perish. So his way for anyone who hasn’t heard his message is to search that person’s heart and judge accordingly. it may sound like a contradiction, but really it isn’t. He knows everybody’s heart and what they would do if they heard the message. So what else can he do? He won’t condemn a person for not hearing the message. Same with little children. If they are too young to make this decision, then he automatically takes them. For adults the question is whether or not that adult would have accepted Jesus – and God knows our hearts and knows what a person would have done had he heard. Now this is just how I think. But knowing God’s mercy, I don’t think he’d condemn anyone for not hearing the message. Sorry for being redundant but I am trying to explain that the way to eternal life is Jesus and Jesus only and it still is Jesus for a person who hasn’t heard. Personally I don’t think there are many people in the world who haven’t heard about Jesus. That is what missionaries do. But no doubt there are some, and God will NOT blame them for something that they are not aware of. I’m sure as sure can be that he has made a provision for them. Care to answer my question as why as a non-believer you come here? Again, just me, curious. Not accusatory.

You can’t be 1/4, 1/2, or any percentages other than 100% or zero. Being Jewish isn’t an ethnicity, it’s a religion! That’s like saying that because my dad is Christian and my mom is Jewish, I’m half and half. Guess what? I’m neither. I’m an Atheist. People may argue that I’m really half and half, but that’s impossible, if I choose not to follow the religions. If your dad was a metal head and you mom listened to country, are you half metal, half country? No, you listen to whatever you want to!

Regardless, religion is just (in my opinion) a joke. Everyone believes their point of view is right. Too many people take the bible literally, and that’s just pathetic. I don’t knock religion; I think some people need to believe in something.

Sorry for going off on a tangent. Here’s the answer to your question: if you think you’re getting into this place called “heaven,” I guess you go there. Personally, I think that you just rot in the ground when you die, but you can believe whatever you want to believe.

Thank you all for your input. What a variety of responses! :)

tunkenstein: you are right! But personally I am not arguing. I am just asking questions, so I have nothing to calm down about. I certainly don’t want to cause people getting upset. I’m not upset–that was an inaccurate interpretation of my question to another member. Peace everyone! We all deserve respect.

“nowhere in the Torah given by God was there any mention of Jesus– both in english and the original language of hebrew” Hm, I never thought it did, but now that you say it, it’s kinda weird… well, this just makes me more confident in believing that bible is made up =P

But, I was wondering if anyone could answer this: before they made/wrote the bible, and mr. John or whoever that was stated that the only way to be saved is by accepting Jesus blah blah, what did people have to do to get to heaven? Just believe in God and follow those 10 rules etc?

Amarante: How would you explain our existance? And assuming your answer is science… why do all those things exist? (I mean atoms, molecules… whatever you credit for existance)

Well you see, my answer to that always goes into quantum physics and such, but unless you care to start an e-mail conversation, I won’t waste an hour typing here.

And I will ask you this. Where did matter come from? What processes brought atoms together to make compounds and inorganic chemicals? Then, if you can answer that, what processes brought those inorganic compounds together into organic ones? Then what processes made those compounds into life? And what processes brought that life together to make multi-cellular beings?

Think about a car. You can’t just dump all the parts together, expect lightning to strike it, and have a car. And don’t say it’s not the same case, because organic from inorganic without outside manipulation is the EXACT same case.

From a Biblical perspective, I think Paul makes it clear in Galatians that there is a 2nd path for sincere Jews.

But heaven doesn’t actually exist anyway, so it really doesn’t matter.

Clearly according to the Bible, God’s Word - anyone, no matter their background, in order to gain Heaven as their eternal home MUST be saved - that is having accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior - the ONLY way - one verse says it simply and totally, John 3 : 16 - it is not complicated / a child-like faith - entry paid for - it is my hope and prayer that all will be saved, especially here

As much as I respect your religion… I know for a fact that nowhere in the Torah given by God was there any mention of Jesus– both in english and the original language of hebrew

ibelieve: I am a modern orthodox jew… and I don’t know any way to explain why I am going to heaven, I just believe I will. Every year I atone for my sins and I am forgiven… therefore, why wouldn’t I go to heaven

I explained TWICE that Jesus is the only way in the most articulate way I could. For people who have not heard about him, he is still the answer.

He CAN’T be the answer for people who HAVE NEVER and WILL NEVER HEAR ABOUT HIM. You’re contradicting yourself again… so just admit that you don’t know what will happen… and move on…

The bible does not cover the problem of people who never hear the message and what God does with them. So as a christian, I have come up with a very believable answer as to how God, as a merciful God, deals with them.

And what gives you the right to ‘make up’ answers? Stating your opinion is fine… but you have to PRESENT it as your opinion.

This is a big problem with non-believers–they expect christians to know all the answers and accuse them when they don’t.

We don’t expect you to have all the answers… we KNOW that you don’t. But a big problem with BELIEVERS, is that they’re so insecure in their faith, they cannot perceive their FAITH in ANY other way but FACTUAL. They often CLAIM that they know things about God, when they don’t; FABRICATE answers, present their OPINIONS as FACTUAL. Which is bearing false witness, and misrepresenting Christianity… ultimately… defying God.

This is a form of religion abuse, and I find this kind of behavior irritating and FAR too common on this site, so I have ZERO tolerance.

God will never let us have all the answers but he does provide us with what we need to know.

…that’s your opinion… just because he didn’t ANSWER questions, does NOT mean that we don’t NEED the answers.

If we had every answer then there would be no need for faith - faith being the main thing God wants from us.

I already know that… you need to tell that to many of the other Christians on this site. Apparently they didn’t get the memo…

Since you “know more about christianity than most of the christians on this site,” then I guess you have all the answers. So then why all the questions??

Because I KNOW that you DON’T KNOW… I KNOW the Bible DOES NOT have ALL the answers. And far too many believers CLAIM that it does. YOU are one of the FEW theists on this site who can at least admit the Bible isn’t perfect.

I think you are searching. Do you read the bible at all?

…for the past 20 years… and the more I learn, the less believable it becomes. But more so… the BELIEVERS of the scripture have been more of a detriment to its validity, than the scripture itself.

…not be so eager to put down everything a christian says.

I don’t… you’re generalizing…

As for those who did not know Jesus God will judge them by their concience.

A moment ago, you said there was NO OTHER WAY than Jesus. Make up your mind. What scriptural evidence lead you to this conclusion? Are you simply making up answers that the Bible failed to provide?

As an after thought: Franky I am curious why those who loudly and adamantly proclaim there is no heaven or God come into these threads in the first place. If you really don’t believe, then why bother? Me thinks thou dost protest too much. :) Maybe you are searching, I don’t know, however I am glad you come here. Just curious as to why? I wish peace for you all and no intentions of inflaming anybody!

I don’t think he’d condemn anyone for not hearing the message.

So… you THINK… you don’t KNOW. It is an issue the Bible doesn’t cover. But according to you, Jesus is NOT the ONLY way.

And what of the ‘message’ you speak of? What is the correct way it is to be delivered? What if the message is delivered INcorrectly? What if Christianity as a whole is MISrepresented? What if the individuals delivering the message do so in a negative manner, and/or offend the recipients? To whom does the fault befall?

Care to answer my question as why as a non-believer you come here?

1. Because I want to, and I can
2. I know more about Christianity than most of the Christians on this site
3. People who have questions about religion, NEED it from a source that is NEUTRAL… the information is more accurate that way

The Henrew nation started as a tribe that later became a religion. Being Jewish is more of a religion, rather than a bloodline. For the most part, people are accustomed to seeing Judaism as a blood/ religious bond. Either way… Youa re jewish if you want to be. There are converts who have no “Jewish blood”

As for Jews going to hell. There are several thoughts on that. There is a group called Jews for Jesus - as they beleive they will go to heaven through Christ. The Vatican beleives that as Christians, we do not need to evangelize to the Jewish community as they had the first covenant with God, and we the Second through Jesus.

In the Old Testament, there are prophecies about Jesus. Just read some of the book of Isaiah and you’ll see what I mean… (“born of a virgin…”)

Also, thousands of people have died for their Christ- including the disciples. Unless all of those people were completely delusional, it’s only logical to accept that Christ existed.

In the Old Testament, there are prophecies about Jesus. Just read some of the book of Isaiah and you’ll see what I mean… (“born of a virgin…”

The New Testament was written LONG after the Torah. Its quite possible the writers of the NT used the Torah as ‘inspiration’ for the later written sciptures.

…regardless, the existence of Jesus of Nazareth is NOT the issue at hand. Whether or not he existed, does NOT validate what was WRITTEN about him.