Fulfilled prophecies of Jesus...

Agreed with nlocnil

Have you forgotten the other professes made by other religions that supposedly came true? Mayans, Aztecs, Roman Oracles ect. Hell, Mayans even for saw their own demise. Not to mention, what about the professes that have not come true.

this doesn’t really seem like you at all.

Definatly possible… but those are not the only two possibilities I can think of.

Sure this is not an erroneous claim?

Isn’t it that, the Jews don’t believe Jesus was the messiah because he didn’t match the prophecies?

I think Matthew 27:9-10 is a good example of how the NT authors intentionally wrote the narrative of Jesus to fit what they knew (or thought they knew) about Jewish orophecies.

What we have in this passage is yet another clear example of a NT author trying to apply an OT prophecy to Jesus life when it doesn’t fit…BUT in this case he incorrectly attributes the prophecy. It’s the passage about Judas getting his money and buying his field. The author claims that the 30 shekels of silver as a price was predicted by Jeremiah. However, this price is never mentioned in Jeremiah, but is mentioned in Zechariah instead (although in a completely different context, referring to a judgment against Lebanon).

Why does the author of Matthew make this mistake? Pro-inerrant-Bible people usually do some verbal gymnastics to explain this away, saying that Matthew is actually talking about the “potter in the field” passages in Jeremiah, and relating that as a prediction about the Judas field. None of these three passages in Jeremiah (18:2-3, 32:6-9, 19:1-13) is a prophecy, and one actually mentions 17 pieces of silver, rather than 30 shekels.

Another possibility is that the author recalled reading something about a prophecy that involved 30 pieces of silver in the scriptures, and thought, “yep, there’s more proof that this is the Messiah” and put it in the book of Matthew. But he did so forgetting that it wasn’t Jeremiah, but Zechariah (and, of course, that the passage had absolutely nothing to do with the Messiah).

The NT authors, whoever they were, were clearly very far removed from the life and times of Jesus. They weren’t his disciples, they weren’t friends or associates of his disciples, and they were either from a completely different class and background than Jesus and his followers…OR were from another part of the world entirely, where the rumors of Jesus had eventually spread.

I love Jesus and I feel he is the real massiah, but the possibility that they were making him up could fit, some of the things he did where pretty fairy taleish, but again you have to think thatpeople back then devoted there whole life to Jesus, for someone to do that over a story would be unrealistic to me.

Could be freak occasion. OR the real deal.

We will all find out soon. (death or the earth exploding…)

The writers who wrote the NT were familiar with the OT prophecies, and intentionally wrote their stories to demonstrate that Jesus had been the messiah.

ding! …plausible…

intentionally wrote their stories to demonstrate << - according to you they put their “Intentional” ‘spin’ on it’ - I would ask how do you know that ? - how do you know they were not sincerely led or guided by God to put to paper exactly His perfect and infallible words, His will done ? - where you say “intentionally” and stated as fact, even though you would have no way of knowing for certain, I say “inspired” by the Holy Spirit/God on the words to put down on paper…our difference…Faith - you heard the sermon and came away with an “I got ya !” in your mind, thus the difference, ‘world thinking’ and ‘inner Faith and knowledge from the Holy Spirit who dwells within every believer’ - down the road we’ll know the truth - you’re right, it only leaves us with 2 choices…definately food for very serious thought…Take care !!

sigh

He said it was a POSSIBILITY… pay attention.

P.S. - are you on new medication? Because you’re making even LESS sense than usual.

Really? food for thought means thinking about it? it seems like people’s minds are already made up? (dont worry amblessed, this is for atheists and the absolutely certain religous)

* according to you they put their “Intentional” ‘spin’ on it’ - I would ask how do you know that ?

I don’t know obviously, which is why I couched it in terms of probabilities.

I’m presenting this alternative representation - one that happens to fit nicely with what we know about nature, human nature, religious writings in general, and the ancient world.

To your own detriment, Christians have set things up so that outsiders must either accept the miraculous on scant evidence, or easily just brush it all off as ancient nonsense just like so much other ancient nonsense.

The old testiment gave information that there would be a messiah very soon (very soon was the words used) Based on what we know of G-d in the old testiment a short amount of time was about 500 years to G-d. If the messiah were to come in about 500 years the only person who fit the description was Yeshua. The reason I follow the new testiment as well is because there are a lack of options. That is a good point though, I understand where you are coming from because the new testiment gives very little that we can verify the authenticity. The old tesitment has thousands of prophecys so its easy to have more faith in the old testiment. New testiment has very few. I know that its pathetic to the rest of those who share the same faith as me that I am following somthing because of a lack of options but I have not had the time to study the new testiment as much as the old. Another point would be is that the men could have been well versed in to the old testiment but G-d had actually picked some very shady people to bring his message out. If your theory was right then the apostals would need someone to help them because they were failures in school. Back in those times being a rabbi was a very presigious line of work and very few were smart enough to make the cut. Anyway G-d bless, I doubt we can change each others minds on the subject, just my justification in beliving it.