Christians who believe in the 10 Commandments...

Let me clarify, I’m referring to the specific reasons that directly led to his apprehension.

the Sanhedrin Did not believe Jesus was who he was and his teaching made then look like a bunch of hypocrites even in their faith. they Actually accused him of 3 ‘You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.’ and Breaking the Sabbeth ( Which was a Jewish holy day.) He was also accused of Blashamy and teaching false doctorines even though every think he taught was in line with the Mosaic law. Basically Pilate ALLOWED Jesus to be crucified in order to keep the peace.

Jesus was making the religious people look like fools and with out power, that always gets peoples back up

Don’t laugh at the mould regulations - would you live in a mouldy house? Nomadic tribespeople needed some good health and safety tips for those leather tents…

What then does “keep holy the sabbath” mean? Leviticus is filled with examples of what you are not permitted to do on the Sabbath (in addition to all the mold regulations), and it’s basically the same as the Sanhedrin position.

Oh, I agree, but don’t just think of the way it’s been happening in the US recently - the bigger picture is a lot more varied.

* “No he didn’t. people go into that to deeply. “

He thought he did. That’s why he justified his actions rather than deny them, and declared himself lord of the Sabbath.

Neal got it half right. The specific accusations were in regard to violating the Sabbath.

So, did Jesus violate the Sabbath?

I agree with what has been written…

And would like to add…

WE PUT JESUS ON THE CROSS…

BECAUSE OF OUR SIN…

To fulfill the Law. . . Since the 10 commandments were given as a part of the mosaic law, which we no longer live under they function more as a guide line of Morals. . Or at least that’s how I see it. . .

( Puts on Helmet and flack jacket. . . Stack a few rolls of sandbags. . . ) Ok I’m ready fire away. . .

* “ Jesus has authority, so yes he broke the Sabbath, but the ten commandments are not as important as the two stated before”

…you have to wonder then, why fundamentalists are so adamant about plastering the 10 Commandments on the walls of every public building they can get away with. The 10 Commandments are not even relevant to Christianity, as proven by Jesus himself.

to take our sins so we would have a better life in paradise with him . He doesn’t want us to go to hell so he loved us so much that he died for us! Read John 3:16 “for God so loved the world that he gave is only begotten son and whoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life” I love this vers it was the first one that I had memorized is was at age 10. I love it People also need to read the next verse it is just as important and it is sometimes left out

*To fulfill the Law. . . Since the 10 commandments were given as a part of the mosaic law, which we no longer live under they function more as a guide line of Morals. . Or at least that’s how I see it. . .

( Puts on Helmet and flack jacket. . . Stack a few rolls of sandbags. . . ) Ok I’m ready fire away. . .*

dives into trench next to neal

Jeez, so you just suddenly felt like starting a war, huh?

cranks squawk-box, and relays coordinates to artillery

Oh, you mean the reason they wanted to kill him? It’s because for one, the Jews didnt like Him making Him and God out to be one in the same, and claiming to be King of the Jews. So they wanted to kill him for blasphemy against God. The officials didnt like Jesus because He discredited the high priests bc He was performing miracles that they never have and could not. The officials didnt have a good legitimate reason to kill Him, Pilates said several times that he could find no reason to crucify and did they want him to release Him. The crowd shouted no, crucify Him, crucify Him. It was the choice of the people to crucify Jesus.

b\c man messed up and sin came into the picture so therefore someone (jesus) had to come and save us and and so we wont turn to evil or sin. this world was created inorder to give him praise and and have a good place to live where no harm or bad things happen BUT man messed and sin came in, so God had to go to the next step which was give up his only son so that who believe can be saved and to lift him up and someday live forever with him in a place that has no more sin, and too so we can led others to him I hope this helps and doesn confuss you, if you need more or have any questions PLEASE feel free to funmail me

I think that technically he broke the sabbath by healing and then instructed that person to break the sabbath. he healed a man (on the sabbath) and then instructed the man to take his bedroll and walk (which is not allowed on the sabbath). I think that it was deemed to be heavier than a dried fig and thus was a “burden”. many christians will not allow that jesus broke a commandment because that would be breaking god’s law and that would make jesus a sinner. they explain that healing on the sabbath is god’s work, so that is okay.

I’m not at all into plastering the 10 Commandments onto public buildings, but don’t forget Jesus’ words near the start of His ministry:

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practises and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 5: 17-20

Fortunately I believe our ‘surpasing righteousness’ comes from Jesus’ sacrifice for us, not from slavish committment to the OT laws. But His statement does say that He is the fulfilment of the law, rather than its end. There is a difference.

Jesus deliberately broke the Pharasees’ Sabbath Laws to rub it in that He was Lord of the Sabbath. He didn’t break the 10 Commandments per se, just the interpretation of them by the political/religious elite of His time.

An enormous amount of his behaviour was politically motivated, because politics and faith had become inseparable in 1st Century Judea. We tend to miss that when we look at the Gospels through 21st Century eyes.

jewish law prohibits doing any form of melachah, translated as “work”, on shabbat, with some exceptions. melachah does not correspond to the english definition of the term “work”. shabbat is for reflection and honoring god, not a day of work related to man.

different denominations view the shabbat laws in different ways. orthodox and conservative jews do not perform the 39 categories of melachah. the 39 categories of melachah are sowing, ploughing, reaping, binding sheaves, threshing, winnowing, selecting, grinding, sifting, kneading, baking, shearing wool, washing wool, beating wool, dyeing wool, spinning, weaving, making two loops, weaving two threads, separating two threads, tying, untying, sewing stitches, tearing, trapping, slaughtering, flaying, tanning, scraping hide, marking hides, cutting hide to shape, writing two or more letters, erasing two or more letters, building, demolishing, extinguishing a fire, kindling a fire, putting the finishing touch on an object and transporting an object between the private domain and the public domain, or for a distance of 4 cubits within the public domain.

technically, jesus did break the sabbath. his act of healing was not for a life-threatening condition. his instruction to the jew to carry his bedroll is a violation.

to flossheal…correct, it was called the “oral torah”. obviously a translation.

“because politics and faith had become inseparable in 1st Century Judea”

Some things never change…

sometime we should discuss the whole barrabus and “jesus barrabus” theory.

The question you asked , the times of the old testament they made offerings for their sins , well it seems we would not of lived by the 10 commandments cause who here hasnt broke one of them , when Jesus was born of this wold by the virgin birth , he was to walk as his father {God} he was to bare our sins and died he rose on the 3 rd day and defeated Death and now waits to come again to take us his people those that have chose him in their hearts and have accepted him being saved . you will not get in heaven for being good or doing good deeds if you havent accepted Jesus as your savior and read his words and put them in your heart have alone time let him talk to you . All you have to do is repent of your sins and ask him to have control of your heart he will. but you have to pray for repentance if not then your prayers are not heard .

So, did Jesus violate the Sabbath? No, Not it it’s proper form. . . Only in a legalistic form imposed by the Sanhedrin .

Read Matthew 26&27 there is your answer .

jesus broke the sabbath

No he didn’t. people go into that to deeply. What if a woman has her baby on a Sunday. Is that braking the sabbath? She had to work to get the baby out.

Read your Bibles guys. The answer is in there.

“To fulfill the Law. . . “

I think he’s asking what part of the Mosaic Law Jesus was charged with violating by the Sanhedrin, I.e. why did they arrest him and want him killed.

This is what I believe: I believe in the trinity, which is God the Father, God the Son(Jesus), and God the Holy Spirit/Ghost. In the Bible, the Pharisees and Saddusees were trying to trick Jesus, trying to stump Him, or get him to answer wrong, the question they asked Him was, Out of all the laws, which is the most important, this is what Jesus responded, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart ,and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength, this is the greatest commandment, and the second is like, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. and the pharisees were shocked, they didn’t expect that answer…

     so, what in the world does this have to do with Jesus breaking the Sabbath by telling a man to carry his bedroll, and by healing on the sabbath? a lot, if those are the absolute most important commandments, that means that following the ten commandments isn't as important as those two. Since Jesus and God are one and the same, Jesus can make the standard higher. 

For instance, the commandments, we at least know them, right…

1. “Thou shalt have no other gods before Me” well, why would you do that if you love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength?
2. “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image” again, same reason as first.
3. “Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain” Well why would you do that if you love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength?
4. “Honor the Sabbath to keep it Holy” well… if the most imp. commandment is to love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, if Jesus asked/told you to do something on the sabbath, and the most impt. commandment, is what was said, then that is more impt. than keeping the sabbath Holy. (also the religious leaders didn’t believe Jesus was the Messiah, so of course they wouldn’t follow what he was saying.)
5. “Thou shalt honor thy father and mother” same as love your neighbor as yourself, also you can’t do that if you can’t love God.
6. “Thou shalt not kill” well, obviously not loving your neighbor
7. “Thou shalt not commit adultery” not something a loving neighbor would do
8. “Thou shalt not steal” why would someone steal from a neighbor they’re s’posed to love as themselves.
9. “Thou shalt not lie” why would you lie to your friend
10. “Thou shalt not covet” well, if you’re loving your neighbor as yourself, you wouldn’t be jealous

now keep in mind, I’m not saying that I have never broken a commandment, because I’ve broken plenty of them, plenty of times, but Jesus has authority, so yes he broke the Sabbath, but the ten commandments are not as important as the two stated before, but they are important, they are good things to follow, since everyone has broken at least one of these before.same with the beatitudes, no one can do all of those. those two commadnments over power all the others. that’s what I believe, so I’m not saying it’s right, but it sounds good to me.

I also apologize in case this offensive to anyone in any way.