What was God thinking?

He made hell for the devel and his angels, not for men.

Oh, so God created an evil place for evil creatures… that means God can and DID create evil…

lol, ifeelcrazy is right, I dont believe it is legal in South Africa, but it is true that there are a lot of places in Africa that recognize Muslim law, and it is legal in those places to be polygamous. It is, however, incorrect to say it is something that is encouraged. Only the wealthy can possibly afford more than one wife, and so it isnt very common…

IN South Africa and much of Africa, polygamy is allowed and encouraged

Actually polygamy is not allowed according to our law, but it is customary, you cannot legally have more than one wife. I can also assure you that it is not encouraged by the majority of the population.

I’m here to debunk the God myth entirely. God doesn’t exist, either does the devil. Organised religion is just a means of politically aligning people with the promise of salvation, paradise and all sorts of wonderful things which have yet to be proven to be existant. The faster you give up god, the faster you will realise that he is irrelevant and that your future cannot be resigned to ‘fate’. God may be almighty, but how does that help me, or you?? IN South Africa and much of Africa, polygamy is allowed and encouraged, indeed there are many more places in the world. Take our president who has 4 wives, Zulu King Goodwill Zwelethini has 9, King Mswati II of the Swazi has 12. My advice, if you want to have more than one wife, move to Africa, Arabia or Utah. Knd regards, Sardonicus

You are free to believe or say anything you wish… so, why not give me the same liberty ???

…this is why…

Yes, and if you choose to fight every truth that is shared, that too is your business… so, no matter what you say, about God or the bible, or the things of God, his truth will remain. It is not possible to change it, no matter who tries, or how much effort they exert in trying.

…you speak of your ‘’beliefs’’ and ‘’opinions’’ as if they’re factual… well, THEY AREN’T FACTUAL. And it doesn’t matter how many time you call your beliefs ‘the truth’ …you’re still WRONG.

That is why Christians like you draw such criticism… because YOU’RE ASKING FOR IT. Then you play the martyr, as if you’re being ‘persecuted’ because the Bible says you will be. Well, guess what… YOU KNOW NOTHING OF RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION.

Your religious views are distorted and offensive to REAL Christians, and non-christians alike. And its only worsened, the older and loonier you become. Nobody is trying to change your views, nobody gives a damn about helping you anymore. Because they know its a complete waste of time. You’re too old, stubborn, fearful (and irrational) to think with an open mind. You’ll die thinking the same way, and there will be another crazy-thumper-lady to take your place.

The only service you provide on this site, is a consistent method for people to gauge the difference between rational, and batshit-crazy irrational.

Don’t speak for other people..nobody is afraid to come in here and share their views, and you are being irrational and accusatory. I don’t ‘attack’ anyone…I offer my opinion - nothing more.

Well I can tell you what she has spoken is the truth. Almost all who oppose God not think about the words they use and have no consideration about other people’s feelings. So of course many are put off by such behavior and are afraid to speak up.

According to your religion, the bible is THE word of G-d. The Bible is FULL of polygamy…

The Bible is not only full of polygamy it is also full of murder, c heatings, deception etc. But some don’t understand that the Bible does not approve of such behavior.

…you speak of your ‘’beliefs’’ and ‘’opinions’’ as if they’re factual… well, THEY AREN’T FACTUAL. And it doesn’t matter how many time you call your beliefs ‘the truth’ …you’re still WRONG.

Well these facts are truth no matter how many times you call it false. But all some people want to do is to call the false period. Their sole attempt is put down people who speak about God especially Christians.

Push your loony beliefs on me in real life and for long enough, and you’re likely to get a fist in your face, I don’t care about your gender either.

This is not a private site and no particular post is directed towards you. If you do not like what is being posted just ignore it.

Because he is almighty he can save us from hell.

Given that he supposedly created hell, and set the conditions for entry to it, calling him “almighty” (not to mention “good”) because he deigns to save a few people from the eternal torture he set up seems… overstated.

It’s all a matter of reasoning…

Let’s say god did create male/female monogamy. How would we then explain harems, polygamy, and gay relationships?

Considering those, we would have to say that God failed, but since God is apparently all-powerful and can’t fail, then it only leads us to conclude that monogamy was not his doing.

By the way, I also don’t accept the argument of ‘free-will’…in my opinion, that’s just an excuse because nobody could come up with an actual fact.

silverwings, if you study biology, every species on the planet is less monogamous if there is a large difference in the physical size of the male & female.

Eg, if the male is much larger than the female of the species, there isn’t any monogamy, if they are very close in size, then there is more monogamy.

Given the large size difference between human men and women, it’d be an anthropological singularity if humans were always monogamous…and, given the existence of polyandry in at least one country I’ve been to which has been around for many centuries…well, I have a hard time believing that Sapho was also an extreme case (the famous Greek poet…who was around, gasp, before most modern western religious texts of the Judeo / Christian tradition).

And…to take an example from the Christian tradition, God’s mind is, by virtue of being God, unknowable so we can never, ever understand what he was thinking.

“Well I can tell you what she has spoken is the truth. Almost all who oppose God not think about the words they use and have no consideration about other people’s feelings. So of course many are put off by such behavior and are afraid to speak up.”

eternallymisinformed, one cannot oppose something they don’t believe in. When will you thumpers stop talking to us as if we actually believe in him, but just oppose him or hate him. Stop using dogma when talking to us, and maybe you won’t get ridicule back. If you want to discuss religion in an open forum like this, then expect many opposing opinions. If you don’t want any opposing opinions, then discuss it with your church members.

God doesn’t exist, neither does the devil. They are both made up, like Santy Claus, the Tooth Fairy and leprechauns. The quicker you give up god, the quicker you will take charge of your life and not resign yourself to your ‘fate’. There are cultures in the world where the ratio of husband to wife is 1 to many. Like here in South Africa, our president has four wives, King Goodwill Zwelethini Zulu has 9 and King Mswati II has I 11 at last count. So while western law and attitudes insist on a 1:1 ratio, I guess you will have 1 wife, unless you move to Africa or Arabia or Utah…

God was very clever, He knew in advance that one woman is enough to drive a man into madness with our nagging and carry on and He was smart enough to know that females can only stand so much of men behaving childishly; hence 1 grown up “man kid” is enough to keep us sane til death do us part :)

Ryan (boyfriend’s answer to your question): After realising the true nature of a woman, man realised there is no need to go and find another as it is painful enough being with one. therefore he prayed to God and his wish was granted, then after he (man) realised what he was getting into he screamed into the night, “NOOO”..

HUH, HE WAS THINKING ABOUT YOU AND HOW YOU NEEDED BOTH A MOTHER AND A FATHER. ONE CAN TRY AND BE BOTH BUT, IF NOT DONE IN GODS ORDER THEN THERE IS A MESS AND THE CURSES ARE ALIVE IN THE CHILDREN. BY THAT I MEAN YOU GROW UP LAKING AND BECAUSE OF IT YOU NOW HAVE THIS KIND OF A MANTALITY. FRONTS WILL ONLY GET YOU SO FAR, AT THE END OF THE DAY, GOD CREATED US WITH A SOUL AND A CONSCIENCE SO YOU CAN RUN BUT YOU CAN NOT HIDE FROM THE TRUTH. IT WILL ALWAYS SET YOU FREE IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT. GOD IS S A GOD OF ORDER, NOT CONFUSSION OR LUSTFUL THINKING, WHAT HE DOES IS GOOD AND WITH A PURPOSE SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO SEEK HIM FOR THE AN. TO YOUR IMPORTNT Q.S

He made hell for the devel and his angels, not for men.

By your bold stance against the things of God, you are in effect trying to silence the Christian witness…

I’m sorry you think reasoned debate - or anything other than uncritical acceptance of your opinions - constitutes an attempt to suppress them. Though it explains your reactions to many things on this site.

Push your loony beliefs on me in real life and for long enough, and you’re likely to get a fist in your face, I don’t care about your gender either. Don’t invade my personal space with your primitive and moronic superstitions.

By your bold stance for the things of God, you are in effect trying to silence the atheist view…

See how that works?

Don’t speak for other people..nobody is afraid to come in here and share their views, and you are being irrational and accusatory. I don’t ‘attack’ anyone…I offer my opinion - nothing more.

I’m also finished this debate with you…obviously, you think the world is persecuting you, and I really have no desire be at the the base of your religious war.

By your bold stance against the things of God, you are in effect trying to silence the Christian witness…

I am sure you notice that anyone for or in agreement with the question, is afraid to speak out… in fear of your verbal attacks upon them .

The Christians need to pray for boldness, in order to stand up against your organized onslaught.

You are welcome to your opinion, just as everyone else is. We live in a world of free choice, God designed it this way. If you choose to set up a board to mock, the Christian faith, that is your business, but, as long as you allow people to speak on your board, that by the way is called Spirituality/Religion… sometimes, I think you forget what you titled it…

I am here to speak for and defend the Christian faith, to the best of my abilitiy. And as long as you allow my presence here, that is what I intend to do. And you do not prove or disprove the things of God, you either believe, or you don’t, and it is very evident which side of the fence you are on.

Yes, and if you choose to fight every truth that is shared, that too is your business…and since there are so many of you, you are doing a bang up job…however, God says that his word will not go void… so, no matter what you say, about God or the bible, or the things of God, his truth will remain. It is not possible to change it, no matter who tries, or how much effort they exert in trying.

Slavaim… I again, beg to differ… it is commanded by God, to speak for the faith, and to stand against all opposition.

The original question presumes that god (presumably the Christian god) established any such thing. Not all Christians agree - the prohibitions against homosexuality are in the old testament, which many Christians believe to be superseded (and none adhere to strictly). Likewise, there are many examples of polygamy in the Bible.

I am not inflicting my belief on anyone… I am stating what that faith is, for the benefit of those who want to know, or for the simple fact that you titled this forum

spirituality/ religion…

Why is it that Christianity is the only one that you slander?

First of all - I do not ‘slander’..I debate.

Secondly, so far, Christianity is the only religion that has forced it’s beliefs upon me.

The rest leave me alone, so I leave them alone.

I am not trying to convert you, Jesus will not drag anyone into the Kingdom kicking and screaming… just won’t happen.

You are free to believe or say anything you wish…

so, why not give me the same liberty ???

We’re not trying to change anything…you go ahead and believe what you want.

If you choose to inflict your belief on us, however, you leave us no choice but to debate it.

You’re more than welcome to post your beliefs, but you have to be prepared to hear what others are going to tell you…we all have the right to voice our opinions.

I beg to differ, but you gave a very good worldly answer. It is not possible for an unredeemed person to think otherwise, no offense intended.

Well, you can question that all you choose to, but since I don’t believe in any god I prefer to think logically about the issue.

Humans were not always monogamous, and to this day, many still aren’t. It was a moral and legal obligation put into place by people - not god.

You beg to differ…please…prove that I am wrong.

If you can prove that I am wrong, I will accept your word as truth.

God was establishing the order of the family

I saw this and I just wanted to answer this question real quick. Remember, I am just stating my beliefs, you do not have to take it as fact. I believe this, you might believe something else, and I don’t care what you believe, you want other people to believe it.

God may be almighty, but how does that help me, or you??

Now to the question. God is almighty. Because he is almighty he can save us from hell. It helps a lot, and if we are right in our beliefs, we will go to heaven.

Your personal space? Sorry, this isnt your private website? You asked a question, no one came to you trying to convert you…

If god does exist, with all his omnipotence and suchlike, I hardly think he needs defending by you :)

If you didn’t have that liberty, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation.

“he”…so, the bigger question here is: why does God have a penis?

It is most amazing, how God takes all your flak, and loves you still…

Oh, arachnid, you should know by now that silverwings is a cherrypicking thumper. She only reads the parts that justify her belief and ignores any of the contradictory parts.

The bible is full of a lot of stuff…however, Gods original design, was one man and one woman…

Really? What about all the polygamous relationships described in the bible?

Utopia…

The bible is full of a lot of stuff…however, Gods original design, was one man and one woman…

or did you forget the beginning ?

*What was God thinking when he established the pattern of one woman and one man, for life?

A BETTER QUESTION WOULD BE…WHAT WAS G-D THINKING WHEN HE ESTABLISHED POLYGAMY?

and what were you thinking when you posted this question?

According to your religion, the bible is THE word of G-d. The Bible is FULL of polygamy…

Genesis 4:19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.

Genesis 16:1-16 Now Sarai Abram’s wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar. And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai. And Sarai Abram’s wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife. And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived: and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her eyes. And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge between me and thee. …

Genesis 26:34 And Esau was forty years old when he took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite

Genesis 28:9 Then went Esau unto Ishmael, and took unto the wives which he had Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael Abraham’s son, the sister of Nebajoth, to be his wife.

Genesis 29:30 And he went in also unto Rachel, and he loved also Rachel more than Leah, and served with him yet seven other years.

1 Chronicles 4:5 And Ashur the father of Tekoa had two wives, Helah and Naarah.

Judges 8:30 And Gideon had threescore and ten sons of his body begotten: for he had many wives.

1 Samuel 1:2 And he had two wives; the name of the one was Hannah, and the name of the other Peninnah: and Peninnah had children, but Hannah had no children.

1 Samuel 25:39-44 And when David heard that Nabal was dead, he said, Blessed be the LORD, that hath pleaded the cause of my reproach from the hand of Nabal, and hath kept his servant from evil: for the LORD hath returned the wickedness of Nabal upon his own head. And David sent and communed with Abigail, to take her to him to wife. And when the servants of David were come to Abigail to Carmel, they spake unto her, saying, David sent us unto thee, to take thee to him to wife. And she arose, and bowed herself on her face to the earth, and said, Behold, let thine handmaid be a servant to wash the feet of the servants of my lord. And Abigail hasted, and arose, and rode upon an a**, with five damsels of hers that went after her; and she went after the messengers of David, and became his wife. David also took Ahinoam of Jezreel; and they were also both of them his wives. ..

2 Samuel 3:2-5 And unto David were sons born in Hebron: and his firstborn was Amnon, of Ahinoam the Jezreelitess; And his second, Chileab, of Abigail the wife of Nabal the Carmelite; and the third, Absalom the son of Maacah the daughter of Talmai king of Geshur; And the fourth, Adonijah the son of Haggith; and the fifth, Shephatiah the son of Abital; And the sixth, Ithream, by Eglah David’s wife. These were born to David in Hebron.

2 Samuel 5:13 And David took him more concubines and wives out of Jerusalem, after he was come from Hebron: and there were yet sons and daughters born to David.

1 Chronicles 14:3 And David took more wives at Jerusalem: and David begat more sons and daughters.

1 Kings 11:1-8 But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites; Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love. And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart. For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father. For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. …

2 Chronicles 11:18-23 And Rehoboam took him Mahalath the daughter of Jerimoth the son of David to wife, and Abihail the daughter of Eliab the son of Jesse; Which bare him children; Jeush, and Shamariah, and Zaham. And after her he took Maachah the daughter of Absalom; which bare him Abijah, and Attai, and Ziza, and Shelomith. And Rehoboam loved Maachah the daughter of Absalom above all his wives and his concubines: (for he took eighteen wives, and threescore concubines; and begat twenty and eight sons, and threescore daughters.) And Rehoboam made Abijah the son of Maachah the chief, to be ruler among his brethren: for he thought to make him king. …

2 Chronicles 13:21 But Abijah waxed mighty, and married fourteen wives, and begat twenty and two sons, and sixteen daughters.

2 Chronicles 21:14 Behold, with a great plague will the LORD smite thy people, and thy children, and thy wives, and all thy goods:

2 Chronicles 24:3 And Jehoiada took for him two wives; and he begat sons and daughters.

2 Kings 10:1-36 And Ahab had seventy sons in Samaria. And Jehu wrote letters, and sent to Samaria, unto the rulers of Jezreel, to the elders, and to them that brought up Ahab’s children, saying, Now as soon as this letter cometh to you, seeing your master’s sons are with you, and there are with you chariots and horses, a fenced city also, and armour; Look even out the best and meetest of your master’s sons, and set him on his father’s throne, and fight for your master’s house. But they were exceedingly afraid, and said, Behold, two kings stood not before him: how then shall we stand? And he that was over the house, and he that was over the city, the elders also, and the bringers up of the children, sent to Jehu, saying, We are thy servants, and will do all that thou shalt bid us; we will not make any king: do thou that which is good in thine eyes. …

2 Kings 24:15 And he carried away Jehoiachin to Babylon, and the king’s mother, and the king’s wives, and his officers, and the mighty of the land, those carried he into captivity from Jerusalem to Babylon.

Daniel 5:2 Belshazzar, whiles he tasted the wine, commanded to bring the golden and silver vessels which his father Nebuchadnezzar had taken out of the temple which was in Jerusalem; that the king, and his princes, his wives, and his concubines, might drink therein.

2 Samuel 12:8 And I gave thee thy master’s house, and thy master’s wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

Exodus 21:10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.

1 Samuel 1:2 And he had two wives; the name of the one was Hannah, and the name of the other Peninnah: and Peninnah had children, but Hannah had no children.

2 Chronicles 24:3 And Jehoiada took for him two wives; and he begat sons and daughters.

Job 27:15 Those that remain of him shall be buried in death: and his widows shall not weep.