What do you think of hillary Clinton?

Miscegenymiser,

I am really not trying to discount your beliefs. I do believe there are strong undercurrents coming from very powerful circles outside of our government that are controling, or at least influencing our politics, media, and financial institutions. I think the problem with some (not all) counspiracy theorists, is a lack of scientific method. They start with a hypothesis, and tend to only accept the facts that support that hypothesis. Such as the twin towers being demoed, as we have already discussed. But I also think that where there is smoke there is fire, meaning that where there are conspiracy theories, there is usually something not right. I almost think that sometimes the “powers that be” feed into the conspiracy theorists to make them look ridiculous so people will think they are just crazies, and will pay no attention. I think if you think it is possible that they were demoed, don’t jump right up and delcare that is absolutely what happened. You do it by asking questions, and demanding investigations. Not by questionable scientific and forensic theories that have never really been tested or confirmed.

And I don’t look at everything as right or left. I look at it as right or wrong. I have no delusions that the entire political system is poisoned by big corporate money and control. But it does not occur equally on both sides. There is no doubt in my mind that the rep/con side is more susceptable to influence peddling than the Dem/lib side. But it still happens on both sides. My question to you is what do you do about it? Do you just rail against the system and powers that be, and throw up your hands claiming it doesn’t matter what happens in politics? Or do you get involved, get other people involved, and try to make good informed decisions in order to make some kind of incremental change. The only way change will happen is when people are informed and engaged. I think Obama is a good start, not THE answer, but a good start.

Semi 1900 I challenge you to actually take the time and investigate the numerous interrelationships between the Clintons and Bushes. Do you have any countervaling statements other than “No” This may entail going somewhat deeper than wikipedia.

What is wrong with buying into conspiracies when credible evidence lends itself their way? You act as if it is four letter word. Conspiracies are a fact of life, just ask Julius Caesar. False flag ops are documented as far back as Diocletian. False pretenses as far as Troy. I contend that history is written by the victors. Unfortunately you choose to believe them…let me fill you in…they are victorious over you.

Jimahl, for what it’s worth, the left(If you insist on the dichotomy) have had their fair share in disempowering the middle class. Exempli gratia? The gold confiscation act (E.O.6102) of 1933 under your beloved Roosevelt oversaw as much as a 41 percent decrease of net worth(of the middle class) in less than a months time. This transfer of wealth again went straight to the International Banking Cartel coffers. The Russian middle class were for all purposes wiped out by a Leftist polity, as were their fellows in Communist China. Whom are advocating for anewed indentured servant class by way of cheap Mexican laborors. Corporations and Socialists…uncanny…no, not really. Great for middle class Americans. Bet you think a service centered economy is viable as well.

I am not villifying any left leaning individual. It is crucial that you all scrutinize your long held notions. Divide and conquer. Don’t let your divisiveness be your undoing. I am afeared this will again fall on deaf ears.

Hillary Clinton is a cold blooded killer. She and Bill were laundering Contra drug money in Mena Arkansas back during the Iran Contra Affair. There is also a symbiotic relationship with the laundering operation and the S&L scandals occuring simultaneously, Whitewater anyone? They were working for George Bush Sr. who in turn was working for Michael Ledeen the mastermind behind ICA, portions of 9/11, Nigerian Yellowcake SISMI fraud, much more. Drop the left/right paradigm. You are being toyed with. Look up Barry Seal, Gary Webb (Journalist that dropped the bombshell delivered by Ricky Ross while working at the San Jose Mercury News and later collected into the book that cost him his life, “Dark Alliance: The CIA, the Contras, and the Crack Cocaine Explosion.”Typical suicide, he shot himself twice in the head.) Download the PDF version of Trance-Formation of America by Cathy O’Brien.

Or you can sit back and fiddle while America crumbles, you have been duly warned.

Although Obama hasn’t had the time to amass numerous skeletons in his closet, If the Council on Foreign Relations crowd he hangs out with are any indicator he is going to play ball the way his handlers (International Banking Cartel) have spent all YOUR hard earned money to make sure of, in their court .

Her being a woman has nothing to do with her ability to be president. I really had no problem with her until the last couple of weeks, when she started to do things that are hurting the whole party. Before that I thought she would make a great president. But I think she has turned a lot of people off, and she already had a lot of people who hate her.

“if I had meant to use the word ‘refutable’ I would have used the word ‘irrefutable’ “

No doubt…I see from whence the problem arises now.

4/11/08: Bill Clinton today speaking of Hillary’s Bosnia blunder, ‘claimed she was experiencing end-of-day fatigue’ - in effect, an emergency that requires a ‘Presidential decision’, cannot take place at 11pm, but may take place at 3am.

well I wouldn t reallysay that ahe is racist,she is very much readdy to be president but still if I could vote I wouldn t vote for her.I would VOTE FOR OBAMA

ooh, my ears are burning! hopefully that is not the work of the illuminati! I agree with you about kucinich and I agree that there are those that seek to influence but I do require reputable evidence.

you must compliment your own responses? but enough of this, I’m bored. and we have completely strayed from the original question. not fair to xfashionfreakx. no, I do not believe hillary is a racist.

I think if she wouldnt know what she was to do if she gets elected as President…im a women but still I think a women isnt ready for the spot at President…VOTE OBAMA!!!

Air America radio host Randi Rhodes on Hillary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfdhWi5MILo&eurl=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/03/air-america-host-randi-rh_n_94863.html

well, I might chime in on this later but for now I must say that semi1900 and jimahl have, with intelligence absent of paranoia, managed to put my feelings into words.

“you MUST compliment your own responses!” (emphasis mine punctuation correction editors)

Agreed. Accolades are due.

You’re too kind.

No

4/2/08: Now-retired general counsel and chief of staff of the House Judiciary Committee, who supervised Hillary when she worked on the Watergate investigation, says Hillary’s history of lies and unethical behavior goes back farther – and goes much deeper – than anyone realizes. Jerry Zeifman, a lifelong Democrat, supervised the work of 27-year-old Hillary Rodham on the committee. Hillary got a job working on the investigation at the behest of her former law professor, Burke Marshall, who was also Sen. Ted Kennedy’s chief counsel in the Chappaquiddick affair. When the investigation was over, Zeifman fired Hillary from the committee staff and refused to give her a letter of recommendation – one of only three people who earned that dubious distinction in Zeifman’s 17-year career.

“Hillary Clinton is a cold blooded killer.”

No, that would be Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush.

I think Clinton is a veteran Democrat who grew up in an era when Republicans had made conservatism popular in the mood of the country. She watched as men like Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, and Michael Dukakis, unabashed liberals, got crushed in elections for voicing their views. She learned that moderation was key. I think that is what has hindered her more than anything now. Conservatism obviously isn’t as cool anymore, and men like Obama are now charging the campaign with new ideas. The winds have changed too quickly for her, and it’s difficult to adjust.

That said, I think she’d make a better president than her husband, her predecessor, and her husband’s predecessor.

Good answer semi1900. Our friend here is big on consiracy theories. Not that some aren’t worth full investigation, but I see the world a little different than he does. I agree that Reagan and the conservative movement started the long steady slide the middle class has been in over the last 25 years. And dubya has put the whole conservatve attack on the middle class on steroids.

I think you analysis of Hillary not be able to adapt to the changes that are happening is pretty good. I am sure it is causing her great frustration. But she needs to start thinking about what is best for the party, and for the country. And unfortunately, it isn’t her.

nice response miscegenymiser, you totally burned his “expletive”

“I do require refutable evidence” check your spelling, surely you intended this. You like your sources compromised in as many words. I wouldn’t worry about the ears burning. Next time you try to fire a few synapse bypass the sparkplug and opt for the age old remedy, read a book. Who knows, you may actually accumulate enough neurons to impart an original thought.

no, I meant “reputable” as in coming from a reliable source, from a good reputation, as in someone who does not lean either way and is without bias towards the subject from the start. and if I had meant to use the word “refutable” I would have used the word “irrefutable” as in “I require irrefutable evidence” or evidence that is impossible to be proven false.

lol. your argument is irrefutably idiotic because you are not a reputable source.

“ears” I guess

From all I’ve read, in the same catagory as WJC - suggest you research same…Take care !!

No, she isn’t a racist. Maybe an opportunist, but not a racist.

nice response trickynick. I love a good debate.

Maybe she is maybe she isn’t. Don’t really care anything at all about HRC!