What Are Your Thoughts on Pantheistic Beliefs

cap, there is a very good reason why the canonized pages were left out of the Bible; they don’t belong in it. These are papers that contradict God’s Holy Words like this “Thomas” paper you’ve quoted…it is best to leave it alone. Read the Bible instead. With the guidance of the Holy Spirit and a willing soul, a person can learn about God.

I, too, am Native American (got my ‘blue’ card :) ) mixed with Irish blood. Just wanted to identify with you pipet.

pipet said “Native People belief in rocks and trees as have a form but it is evidence of the Creator. it is proof of his existence. and it is something he created as he created us.”

You are right with your comment. Couldn’t have said it any better.

Nature, our bodies, the air we breath, the water we drink, the eagle’s feather, flowers, the trillions times trillions, and trillions and trillions…of microscopic cells, adams, organism, DNA . . . God, our Creator made them all and much more.

God could have made our world without color leaving it gray, but He blessed His children with vivid colors of the rainbow from flowers, grass, sky . . . He did it because He loves us. He gives good gifts like a father does for his children.

No, you are wrong cap, Orion was not condemning people to hell, they did that all by themselves! Orion cared enough to warn them of the danger they were facing.

It takes people like you to make something good look like something bad!

Boy.. that is a big word ~smiles~

Is that the same as tree hugger???

Kinda like God is the tree, right???

Wrong… God made the tree…

Sorry…

Don’t you know how immature you sound when you verbally attack a person?

Nope… enlighten me… be sure to make it sound as one-sided as possible…

I hope you will find something that will fill you full of joy as God filled my daughter, Orion.

Your bundle of joy was verbally condemning people to Hell. That leaves a lasting impression, and that is what I reacted to. Whether she learned that from you or not, is irrelevant. But I will NOT allow any overzealous people on this site, to condemn others… without repercussions.

captain,

Don’t you know how immature you sound when you verbally attack a person? Who knows, maybe in person you and Orion could have been friends. Just because your thoughts don’t go along with others is no reason to insult them.

Orion loved God, life, animals, nature, people; she lived to sing praises to the Lord. I hope you will find something that will fill you full of joy as God filled my daughter, Orion.

cap, I don’t know about that, but I do know that those papers you mentioned and others were left out of the Bible because they counterdict the Bible.

I really don’t understand how the word “god” in pantheism is different from the word “universe”. It seems a needless attempt to anthropomorphize nature.

Panthiesm:

The doctrine that everything is God, in contradistinction to the doctrine that God is everything.

I like the sound of that. The only time I ever think God even exists is when I’m outside looking at the beauty of the world. An almighty being who judges everyone from above, not so much. My God is not judgmental.

cap, I don’t know about that, but I do know that those papers you mentioned and others were left out of the Bible because they counterdict the Bible.

That’s because you still don’t understand what ‘canonized’ means…

The Bible is not riddled with contradictions as you claim. It is true that non-believers don’t want to believe the Bible so they rule it out as ‘riddled with contradictions’ it’s easier to accept it as a false book, and do as they please, when in fact it is God’s Holy Word.

…not in FACT, you just BELIEVE it.

And you’re free to be as deluded as you please. It only proves how weak and fragile your personal faith in God really is. Too bad, I thought initially you had potential, but you’ve proven yourself to be just another bruise on the face of Christianity.

cap said “ Your ‘Holy Words’ are already RIDDLED with contradictions. They’ve been mentioned countless times, but you, like many others, plug your ears and hum loudly whenever they come up.”

Not one Christian does that what you accused us of doing…now one! But if it makes you feel better to believe it, then by all means be my guest.

The Bible is not riddled with contradictions as you claim. It is true that non-believers don’t want to believe the Bible so they rule it out as ‘riddled with contradictions” it’s easier to accept it as a false book, and do as they please, when in fact it is God’s Holy Word.

cap, there is a very good reason why the canonized pages were left out of the Bible; they don’t belong in it.

Oh yeah, by the way: The term ‘canon’ refers to the books of the Bible, or the Bible itself, a holy written doctrine. Meaning that all scriptures that were ‘canonized’ were INCLUDED in the Bible. To say that ‘canonized’ pages were left out, is in fact, a paradox… technically…

Panthiesm in my opinion is a lable thought up by a European labeling things he had no concept of and had no way of understanding. as in all racial labels. pantheirm is a label for people who most other people don’t understand. I am a Native American and a Christian. my family and ancestors have been labeled pantheitic for generations. the ignorance permeates through society that do not understand. most native people will not defend themselves nor their beliefs so it remains a misconception. Native People belief in rocks and trees as have a form but it is evidence of the Creator. it is proof of his exsistence. and it is somehting he created as he created us. again my opinon from my place in the world.

There are some Christian related scriptures pertaining to a pantheistic type of view. Though, they weren’t included when the bible was canonized. For example, the Gospel of Thomas:

(Jesus) ‘I am the light that is over them all. I am the All; the All has come forth from me, and the All has attained unto me. Cleave a (piece of) wood: I am there. Raise up the stone, an ye shall find me there.’

It would seem that Christian hierarchs didn’t like tree-huggers back then either.

well your theory owes to its birth as a pagan belief, science has proven that everything alive- including plants has an energy within it. so my wiccan beliefs would substantiate the theory that you have proposed. nature simply is- with the only template being nature itself and natural selection- not divine influence, or creation.

“Kinda like God is the tree, right??? Wrong… God made the tree…”

That was the view of the Christian writer Augustine. However you should know there are several Christians who have been pantheists throughout history. Also, many early Christians seem to have been pantheists based on the writings of Paul.

See Acts 17:23-28, which is very pantheistic. Also see John 14:15-16, 1 Corinthians 3:16-17, and Romans 12:5.

In Star Wars, the idea of the “Force” was the ultimate pantheistic concept. The idea that there is some kind of energy connecting everything that’s alive, or in some cases, things that aren’t alive. Many religions both in East and West support this idea. And yes, there have been Christian pantheists throughout history, so the two aren’t incompatible.

The type of energy or force that pantheists believe in really hasn’t been observed, defined, or documented by modern science. So I’m skeptical that it even exists. Sure it feels good to say that all life and nature are connected, but according to our observations, this is not the case.

WRONG.

It takes people as deluded as you, to TAKE something good (religion) and DISTORT IT into something bad (fanaticism).

in my opinion no, I dont follow religion but im not a none believer either

That’s right…God made them, not in them. :)

I would see pantheism as fairly positive, in that it recognises the sacred wonder and importance of all of creation. Mjax1979’s Biblical quotes on the subject, and Andy Burton’s comments, prove that the created world is very important to God, and should be very important to Christians.

But pantheism can also lead to fear and superstition, believing that gods or spirits in nature need to be appeased by gifts or sacrifices.

And like Orion, I believe that Jesus is the Son of God who saves us, so that any belief like pantheism which would deny that hasn’t reached its fulfillment in Him. However, if Christians use this fact to gloat over other beliefs, rather than learn from them, I think we are missing out on the fullness of what God has to show us.