Am I emo or goth?

if you don’t know which one you are, then you’re neither; you’re just yourself. lables are completely retarded anyway.

Labels are nothing. Leave it behind you and become something that has a good purpose in life.

umm take it from an expert emo = love goth = spiritual im emo and I do cut myself emo is for me a way of life and how I found my self. Its for people who have troubles and establish themselves to feel secure even though their life is an insecurity like troubles, pain, feeling ect.

well what I recommend for you is to go find someone you trust to talk to about your feelings, then you wont be so depressed. you could talk to a guidance conselor, your girlfriend/boyfriend, or your pastor/priest theyre not allowed to tell anyone what they hear. ever. so I think you should find someone to talk to. labeling yourself isnt the thing that is most important here its about finding yourself so you dont hurt anyone or yourself.

ps if your not comfortable talking to anyone, it helps to keep a journal to keep your thoughts in order. or you could take up a hobby to distract yourself, mines is music ^_^ I play guitar and sing.

labels are ridiculous. just be who you are and dont worry about the label. the truth is, everyone is a little bit of everything.

If you don’t cut yourself, then let emo leave your vocab. I think I need to know the things you get depressed about first, but life sucks sometimes.

sometimes i had thoughts about killing…. but not myself or cut myself and and beck what if im trying to be me but in reality its not really me u get where im getting at ? i feel uncomftorable in the way that i disguise myself now…. and why in the hell would i try to be goth or emo…… im not trying to be it i have feelings i might be it u get me ?

first of all- stop labeling yourself. be what you want to be. not force yourself to fall under a certian catigory - be you! and if you dont know who YOU are, then stop trying to be GOTH or EMO. just do whatever you want and see where the leaves may fall :D:D

Thank you, “goth is a legitamate culture” You have covered most of what I was going to say about this.

Goth and emo are actually quite different from each other as far as personality goes. It’s true that not all emo kids cut themselves, but they are very emotional. REAL Goth’s are very romantic, elegant, intellegent and successful people NEVER SUICIDAL. We love life, but accept the fact that as humans we will soon parish. We are , however politically active for a social change (socialist) and strongly against the right wing, BUT THAT DOESN’T MAKE US ANARCHISTS. We would ONLY get depressed for the same reasons any other avarage person would.

Please avoid cutting yourself and attemting suicide, self mutilation is no way out. use the mind and spirit, find your chakra and meditate for once.

Blessed Be!

i can’t tell the difference, most goth people cut, but emo’s aren’t goth, so i can’t answer that to the fullest extent. being emo means, that you are ‘emotional’ a lot, being goth, means old fashion, wearing black/purple/blue. if you cut, you’re not emo, your like me, different (and need help) if your goth, you wear black. sorry i couldn’t be more specific

When referring to a person’s personality and attitude, most definitions of emo hold that an “emo person” is candid about their emotions, sensitive, shy, introverted, glum, and often quiet.[7] Emo personality is also often connected with writing poetry, which addresses confusion, depression, loneliness, and anger, all resulting from the world’s inability to understand the author. Emo poetry uses a combination of any of: a highly emotional tone, stream of consciousness writing, a simple (ABAB) or nonexistent rhyme scheme, references to the flesh, especially the heart, heavy use of dark or depressing adjectives, and concern over the mutability of time, love or both. Themes such as life is pain are common.[10]

Sounds Emo to me Goths aren’t depressed

Ok. Advice, you’re asking so take no offence, also I would hope you feel no need to take this advice if it does not suit you, it is purely opinion. I would say, first, forget the labels. Work out who you are, what you want, your boundaries, your comfort zones and what you believe. It does not include other people, it is your mind, not theirs. Certainly relationships with other people are great, but one and one make two, so there is no mixing here, just sharing. Try scaring them off, if they stay they are more likely to be worth your time. =)

I am a goth and from what I know of emos, I would say that generally they have a similar desire. To be themselves and not be judged. They are by no means the same.

You do not have to put yourself in a label. If you choose to, then find out what the cultures actually are before becoming a part of it so you know what you are standing for and as.

I think that people who reject people who are different without knowing them are narrowminded, arrogant and much too influenced by surrounding media and people. I must say I dont like this, but we are all human. Peace is definitely a common desire.

I hope this may help you in some way.

your actually trying to label yourself? lame.

Your asking a ridiculous question you shouldn’t label yourself

I am a Goth who cannot establish claims of an advanced age, although you cannot disregard of the Elder Goths, as they provide the foundation of the culture due to their unwavering endurance, although ‘foundation’ is apparent, yet is unfortunately quite deficient irrespective of those who are willing to preserve of it. I became a Goth and modified my appearance merely 5 years ago, and I am quite content with this manner of being. It is assumed that discrimination against Goths is merely a trivial and humorous matter, although it is certainly not, and a genuine Goth would remain a Goth for the duration of his or her existence, and continue to maintain the appearance as well. I cannot possibly comprehend why it is that Goth is perceived of as some sort of personal choice, rather than a source of enlightenment and legitimate belief system that people are actually devoted to, and that Goths, on the condition that they wish to cease experiencing prejudice and intolerance, should simply revert to their previous beliefs and discard of their ‘Gothdom,’ despite the fact that Goth is similiar to a religion in numerous respects, and is definitely a valid culture, although unfortunately is not very well received by the Dominant Culture and is therefore perceived as something done in jest and insincerity a.k.a. a ‘phase.’ When Goths complain they are simply considered ‘angsty’ rather than possessing a legitimate purpose for experiencing such emotions in relation to the circumstances. Haven’t the majority of non-Goths ever conceived of why it is that despite an unreasonable amount of discrimination that Goths confront daily they continue to espouse the beliefs and dress in black and apply ‘unconventional’ makeup?

I am cognizant of the fact that Goths are not of your kind. We do not adhere to identical or even similar values, yet we simply desire peace. We are a pacifistic community and therefore could never invoke this unjust treatment upon ourselves. My intention is not to convert you to my ways - I simply desire your patience in reading this. I wish to merit your company and walk amongst your kind without the lingering shame concerning who I am. I wish to accomplish what you accomplish, to simply arrive within a public location without being ridiculed. I myself possess numerous aspirations that I am unfortunately unable to achieve due to the conservative society declining my offers of contributing to civilization. Yet it is not I who shuns them in return, as certain Goths do, rather, I strive for the common good. I would not refrain from assisting others when my assistance is needed. I recognize morals and principals, and attempt to do what is ethical in any given situation. I may perceive of such matters in a manner which is contrasting to society, yet this desire is what all human beings share to a certain extent. It is inherent within us all, some more so than others.

I must request something of you and I shall remain grateful up to the interval of time by which I cease existing and perhaps beyond that. Distribute the information pertaining to Goth being a genuine culture. Endorse my attempts to produce increasing awareness of this matter which is significant to me. I am simply addressing what should have been addressed prior to when I myself had expressed it. There are numerous Goths of which are often prepared to address this matter although unfortunately do not. It is evident that Goths would prefer establishing the Gothic Culture, although to do this they must be willing to devote their time and effort into achieving it. Yet there is an utter lack of regard for such an important matter which indicates their lack of sincere devotion. I often succumb to a gradual condition of melancholy as I imagine the potential which is inherent within Goth that will never be recognized due to the so-called ‘adherents’ themselves contributing to the very death of Goth. It is as if Gothic people wish to be discriminated against, as they are not attempting to acquire rights or perhaps influence. This persecution complex is making them unsuccessful, and they must discard of it. Dedication of adherents is what will prove to be advantageous, and I am certain if Goths simply become more outspoken when pertaining to issues involving their culture and also remain committed there will be no concern of Goth ceasing to exist within the future.

The perception of Goth as some sort of social scene apparently does not do it justice. Goth is an anomaly of what it should be, as it is lacking foundation – as I had mentioned previously. The ‘Elder Goths’ are often in their 20s, and it appears as though Goth is merely an extension of their youth that they are unwilling to abandon, which absolutely appalls me. The entire concept of ‘youth subcultures’ appalls me as well. If you integrate yourself into a culture or subculture for a purpose, why should a person’s age automatically disqualify such a person from participating? Especially when there are millions of people involved worldwide rather than it being confined to a specific high school (which therefore WOULD meet the requirements essential to being considered an adolescent-oriented subculture). There is nothing specifically youth-oriented about Goth. Goths are not expected to experience antipathy towards ‘preps’ (who most often detest such a label and do not wish to be associated with it) and celebrate teen angst, as certain non-Goths would contend. The Gothic genre of music itself does not convey to others the inherent lack of maturity of the enthusiasts. Therefore it should be assumed that Goth is reserved for simply those who identify with it, irrespective of age.

Goth is certainly not exactly what would be considered a religion in precise terms, although it could DEFINITELY be referred to as a culture, belief system, and spiritual path. For the majority of Goths who do not place emphasis on committment, there are also quite a few who do, including myself, yet these are seldom acknowledged, which is simply awful. I am passionate as an adherent of this specific belief system, and therefore I rigidly advocate the addition of standards which permit no deviation. Therefore only the most devoted of adherents will possess the honor with which to proclaim themselves as adherents. Goths may be tolerant of others, although this is no reason to obnubilate what the term Goth is intended to refer to. After all, people are considered ‘poseurs’ anyhow, despite the lack of definitive standards, and as a result they should therefore be able to understand WHY others are referencing them in such a disparaging manner. The imposition of standards would eliminate confusion, although it would require the assistance of the indispensible members of the Gothic community, rather than the efforts of one person, and that is what would appear to be quite challenging, especially since Goths are distributed throughout the world, rather than within a distinct location, and also because Goths are individuals who are capable of making well-formulated decisions, implying that their ideas and my ideas may not come into accord. They may perhaps be utterly opposed to the mere consideration of Goth becoming established. This is what I am dreadful of.

I wish to establish a distinct unit within Goth. It shall be appreciated, and eventually Goth shall no longer be considered a ‘scene’ in entirety and shall acquire hate crime legislation within locations where it had not previously been conceived of. I am a genuine, sincere Gothic person and this will never change. I do not advocate Goths who modify themselves in favor of immersing themselves into a ‘conservative’ setting or obtaining employment. Corporate Goths could NEVER be regarded as Goths, in my opinion, for they lack the ability to fight resolutely for their legal rights and protection and would simply prefer what is less difficult, although can such people honestly examine themselves and infer that they are genuine? ‘Corporate Goth’ is a loathesome trend reserved for the weak, for those who are unwilling to endure what it is that the non-Goths, in their hostility, offer them. It merely provides a cop-out for those who are apparently not dedicated enough to occupy their time with protesting for rights which ensure that employment will be received eventually. These ideas which I have produced may appear to be radical in nature, although would not the adherents of a specific theology acknowledge the circumstances and strive vigorously against them? Goths are a marginalized culture, and there is no alternate manner of existing for them. Goth is apparently not some preposterous trend, replete with almost farcical lubrigiousity. And there ARE indeed an entire plethora of Goths exterior to the age bracket most frequently mentioned and should be revered for the commitment they have demonstrated without reserve, although unfortunately are regarded as ‘immature’ and it is almost inconceivable in the minds of the Others that one would maintain his or her position as a Goth beyond the age of 30, and those which do so are certainly regarded as being deficient in judgment.

I do not comprehend what it is that scenes provide for others in addition to a false, perhaps contrived, identity. You can most certainly imagine the sense of security a scene can offer, although what occurs for such individuals when it is that the scene expires due to excessive media exploitation or perhaps additional factors? Music scenes are quite susceptible to this, and therefore others should be cognizant of the fact that involvement practically guarantees the intrusion of the media upon their scene as corporations such as MTV are dedicated to attempting to locate what appeals to the ‘trendy’ variety and therefore shall eventually discover it. It is inevitable, and as a result one should merely engage him or her self into a scene if it is expected to be a temporary source of amusement for such a person. Although scenes are not necessarily particularly amusing due to elitism and persistent quarrelling. Attempting to contrive yourself in a manner which is exclusively intended to be distinct from the predominant current of thought is absurd. Avoiding what is mainstream deliberately is perceived of as ‘cool’ within scenes and as a result how ever could one regard others which are engaged within a scene as concerned with anything other than trivialities? The moment a scene receives a slight bit of interest from the media those supposed ‘indispensible’ members abandon the values which were essential to it and perhaps embrace the ideals of another.

I personally believe that Goths are a cultural minority which emphasizes pacifism, tolerance, introspection, spirituality, morality, intellectualism, aesthetics, individualism, creativity, high-brow culture, philosophy, as well as various beliefs, values, opinions, and ideas in response to such matters. Goths should often detest unreasonable social conventions to an intense degree, and should typically be characterized as indignant and engage in ‘insubordinate’ conduct rather than remain in accordance with standards of which are regarded as inconceivable to abide by, although it is evidently to prevent injustice on their behalf when supposed restrictions can easily be obnubilated with oppression. It is my form of Goth which shall continue to exist when this ludicrous social and music scene ceases. We are the minority, yet we shall function as preservers of an immortal culture. We must provide the foundation despite the fact that we do not appear to maintain influence. You must retain the fact that we are here, and we are dedicated and quite conservative (although not in relation to non-Gothic conservatives). When the youth are no longer engaged in Goth, it shall remain anyhow.

This is my vision of Goth - although there are many additional matters which require discussion pertaining to what exactly Goth is, and they shall certainly be addressed in due time. Goth is not an adolescent culture, at least, not the form I adhere to. Wikipedia does not even supply information pertaining to this unit, on the contrary, merely the unit I deviate from, although I am considering making revisions. For me, it is practically a religion, although I simply consider it a culture. The beliefs are not well established, yet certainly those within the notorious ‘scene’ are of a distinct unit to my obscure belief system, spiritual path, culture, and philosophy – and it is indeed established to an extent which supersedes the form of Goth responsible for youthful identity-seeking practices.

Goths should certainly consider the prevaling standards of beauty within the predominant current of thought to be absolutely outrageous. As a result, there should be no ‘ugly.’ All body types should be accepted as well as other physical differences. Those who are simply a bit peculiar in their thought processes and, as a result, are regarded unfavorably, should also be permitted to seek refuge within the culture. Magazines such as Gothic Beauty had immediately repulsed me, as every model had adhered to identical standards of beauty as that of the mainstream, yet were simply alternative in their mode of dress. These magazines should be deliberately avoided by ALL Goths.

Sexuality should remain a topic of concern for Goths. Gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgendered people, those who practice BDSM as well as simply standard s*x…should continue to be accepted, which, in my opinion, Goths are doing quite well with.

In society, a darker mindset is discouraged, although Goths should understand that what is supposedly ‘insane’ behavior is actually the result of suppressed dark thoughts. Goths should assume that if darkness is expressed through art or poetry or there are simply more discussions regarding it, there will be no pent up rage or frustration which eventually results in destructive outbursts. This does not necessarily imply that Goths should merely concentrate on their darker nature, rather, they should simply emphasize it more, especially through aesthetics and creative pursuits, and Goths are continuing to maintain this as well. ‘Darkness’ itself is NOT contrary to morality, as it is simply an essential characteristic within us all which must be embraced. THAT is an accurate definition of a Gothic belief, I suppose.

I personally believe the more unconventional you appear to be, the more dedicated you are. Goth is certainly not about moderation, after all. Thick makeup, skulls, chains, spikes, piercings, and colored hair are, in my opinion, very beautiful as well as convey a willingness to be Gothic despite persecution and hardships. Conventional Goths should always remain quite ‘extreme’ in appearance and being this way shall also promote their self-expression, while moderation restricts it to merely being ‘edgy,’ and, if they are young, perhaps ‘cool.’ This is our cultural attire, and the aspects which shall most likely not be infultrated into society should be preserved, such as the makeup – which far exceeds ‘conventional’ limits, and as a result will always be considered ‘distasteful.’

Goth is NOT what it is that others are contriving into some contemporary adolescent-oriented trend. Goth is timeless, due to the fact that it emphasizes a classical, sophisticated manner of living. Victorianism and Romanticism are ardently embraced, as are animal rights and environmentalism in numerous instances. Self-advocacy within Goth should be requisite up to the interval of time of which we acquire influence, and the majority of countries recognize us as a cultural entity possessing authority. I implore upon you all to assist me in establishing the Gothic Culture as a genuine culture or perhaps spiritual path, rather than a diminishing adolescent trend.

i do think im different shy and emotional i can start 2 cry over little things i do cut myself i think im emo?

Well…Emos are just like normal people…they just have a hard time with there problems…and not all Emos cut them selves

I know how you feel. im trying 2 find who I am as well. lately I’ve been lukin up da meaning of da words. it can get pretty confusing.

1st of all: not all emo kidz cut dem selves. trust mi I know sum emo kids.

2nd: I suggest you look it up like me. so you can better understand it. because everybody haz their own opinion of what it iz.

3rd: I knew sumone who was considered emo. she had short black hair, wore black eyeliner, and wore baggy clothes. she didnt wear black all da time but liked 2 write poetry about her past struggles. she use 2 have green highlights/ streaks. and yes she use 2 cut herself. she spent mos of her time rockin back and forth in a empty room listening 2 sad gloomy music. so if that helps. I dont really know any goth people.

4th: I myself am not 2 sure who I am. I don’t wear black all da time. I wear fitted clothes. I plan 2 dye my hair black, maybe add sum streaks.(purple/pink) I write poetry about death and people I hate. I listen 2 r&b, rap, pop/alternative, rock, and a lot of other music 2. mostly sad songs. and especially sad songs I can relate 2. I like 2 watch vampire movies. I actually admire vampires. if I could be a vampire I would. at least 4 a dey. I experienced wit cuttin myself. and no I don’t worship satin. I don’t believe in that stuff. and I believe nobody understands me. I know you didnt ask 4 my life story but if you can relate 2 me den you mite have da tendency 2 be emo or goth.

5th: I do believe that if you truly are goth or emo, you shuldnt be afraid 2 show yourself. or hide yourself. emo/goth people don’t care what people think of dem. dey are not afraid 2 show who dey r.