Theory of Evolution vs. The Bible

first off EVOLUTION IS NOT FACT never has been never will second Occam’s razor dose not disprove an intellegent being if anything it proves it

Creation in it’s preposterous false-hood, is not a theory. However, evolution is a fact and occam’s razor can be applied within the theories that explain evolution.

Creation or intellegent desine is just as possable and theres. 2 theories of equal posability.

This illogical garbage makes dumb arguments sound reasonable? ‘The simplest answer must be the correct one’ is hardly a precise statement.

I could as the same about evolution
Evolution is a religion in its self. it requirs belife in an unproven theroy the diffrence is evolution is a state sponcered religion.

So basically you are saying that the universal acceptence of evolutionary theory came about as a result of bribery?

evolution is not a universal accepted theory if it was we wouldnt be having this conversation. and bacsicly yes.

there is only 6 palces in the world where that rocks layer like evolution says it would. the chart that shows humans, dogs, fish, ect… was proven wrong 50 years ago another grant mony thing theres no way they got all they say they can from LUCY

the half life of carbon is 5700 years wich means in 5700 years carbon will decay by half. that means carbon full life is 11400 years so in that long a carbon molucule will completly gone. so if the earth is 4.5 billion years old how can you tell by carbon dating? they use index fossiles to determind the age of the dirt then say the know the age of the fossile by the layer of dirt circlear resaoning I could go on and on

“now wich is simpler that the 1 in millions chances of cosmic timing, distance form the sun, atmostphere, a natural replacating enviroment, and so on just happend then life appered - or - it was carfully thought out and created be a intellegent being? “

That is easy. In the quadrillions of galaxies, stars and planets, the odds are that there will be many planets that will fall within the parameters that can develop life. So the chances are actually quite highy (cosmicly speaking) that there are millions of planets out there that could develop life. So statisticly, the simplier answer is the millions of chances in the quadrillions of planets, over the completely unsupported concept of a creator. There is not one shred of evidence to support the concept of an inteligent designer.

“now add in that over half the evidence for evolution is false. made up to either support evolution or in fear of loseing grant money, and there you have it. pretty easy.”

Care to tell us where you get this little gem? And what would be the motive behind wanting to falsify scientific evidence? Grant money? So basically you are saying that the universal acceptence of evolutionary theory came about as a result of bribery?

I think an overwhelming number of scientist are only seeking for the truth. Not to say that they don’t make mistakes. But your conspiracy theories are rather silly.

Am I’m supposed to believe that all of this came from a single cell.

…and… how do you think the human reproductive cycle begins?

go with what you learned from your parents. evolution makes wayyy more sense but I’m not pushing my beliefs onto anyone!

occam’s razor. all things considered equal, that the simplest answer must be the correct one. as captainassassin put it, no one was around lets consider them equal. now wich is simpler that the 1 in millions chances of cosmic timing, distance form the sun, atmostphere, a natural replacating enviroment, and so on just happend then life appered - or - it was carfully thought out and created be a intellegent being? now add in that over half the evidence for evolution is false. made up to either support evolution or in fear of loseing grant money, and there you have it. pretty easy.

Wow you people are sooo spiritual, you are blinding to even any possibilites, I guess that’s why some say religion is brainwashing…

My talking snake has escaped again, has anyone seen him? If you find him, he’s easy to take care of, because he just eats dirt.

Genesis account of the Bible is true and complete. The world is too organized to have been an accident. I’m pro “Intelligent Design”. Look around you, and you’ll see why.

there is NO evidence for evolution. a evolutionist wanted to prove that evolution was correct and couldnt find any evidence and instead found proof that God was the creator and in the end he became saved and now spreads the Word of God. I think evolution is stupid and if you want to believe that we came here by nothing?? then thats your choice.

Could I choose Bulbasaur, captainassassin? For some reason he’s always been my favourite.

On the original question, I have no problem with the idea that God made us through the process that science calls ‘evolution’.

Of course nobody really knows the true answer to this question. I say that the cavemen sounds more logical to me than there being a god who decided to create us. I have many arguements against religion to be honest so my choice would be the evolution theory

“evolution is not a universal accepted theory if it was we wouldnt be having this conversation. and bacsicly yes.”

We are having this conversation because you are the one denying the actual facts that prove that all life does indeed evolve. The scientific consensus is nealry unianimous. And those who say they have proof that it isn’t true are on the fringe.

You want to cherrypick these isolated things that evolutionary theory does not seem to fit, and use that as your basis to deny the entire theory. That is not using proper scientific method. Do you know what scientific method is? Are you an expert in such things. I am not, and do not pretend to be. But denying there it is not universally accepted requires some kind of data to back that up. Do you have any?

There’s hard evidence for evolution, and nothing but an ancient book full of superstition, myth, and nonsense in support of creationism. What’s even worse than that, is the Bible doesn’t even support creationism, because the creation story is allegorical rather than literal.

The more compelling of the two is obvious to anyone who looks at it objectively.

thats for you to decide…

some people beleave that the 7 days mentioned in Genisis is a metaphor for a much larger period of time. And that the whole story of Adam and Eve is a metaphor as well.

I personally beleave in evolution and not a word of the bible. lol.

Oh goodie, another ‘’Creation vs. Evolution’’ thread… we can just never have enough of these.

Since nobody today was around back then, nor can they actually PROVE either; you just have to pick one… your favorite.

There are probably some cave men in our generational line…

However… Someone created the cave men…

They did not just happen into existance.

Thats kinda like, which came first…

the chicken…

Or the egg???

go with what you learned from your parents. evolution makes wayyy more sense but I’m not pushing my beliefs onto anyone!

“an intelligent being (GOD) creating this or all of this just popping into space all by itself?”

Actually, creation claims that everything just “popped into space” as a result of some hocus-pocus magic from a being called God. We have no idea how or why he did this, only that he somehow did. And that makes no sense at all.

Evolution describes exactly how and why life developed the way it has. There are no mysteries; the science is available for anyone to study and learn about. Of course, the alternative is to casually dismiss it because it takes too much time and effort, and believe in magic instead.

Of course God created the earth. Just look at the human body and look at how complex everything is; your heart, lungs, everyone’s unique indivdual DNA. Now think of what makes more sense, an intelligent being (GOD) creating this or all of this just popping into space all by itself? And not to mention all the billions of animals and organisms on this earth. Am I’m supposed to believe that all of this came from a single cell. Evolution is ridiculous.

“The world is too organized to have been an accident.”

Ok, let’s look at what happens when you combine slim odds with a lot of time.

You have a fair coin. Would you argue that if you tossed that coin for long enough you would get 10 heads in a row?

I mean, tossing a coin 10 times, and getting 10 heads straight off is pretty unlikely (9.77x10^-4…maybe)

But if you toss that coin say a million times, a good few hours work, it becomes almost certain that you will get 10 heads in a row.

Now if you consider the earth in its current state to be those 10 heads and those good few hours to be the billions of years the universe has been around. Suddenly life as we know it does not seem all that unlikely.

“Genesis account of the Bible is true and complete. The world is too organized to have been an accident. I’m pro ‘Intelligent Design’. Look around you, and you’ll see why.”

The world appears organized because those elements that don’t fit, don’t survive. It is as simple as that. The fact that there is complexity in the universe says nothing about how the universe came to be. You are engaging in supposition. There is no evidence of a creator, or intelligent design.

With all due to respect to everyone involved, Nature doesn’t give a damn how we feel or what we believe or what makes us comfortable. Nature has a thing call facts and it’s up to us to decide how to best interpret them.

You can use the scientific method or the fairy godmother method - it’s up to you. Or you can be like Flossheal and try to reconcile the two. They don’t have to be mutually exclusive.

For the record, I know evolution is a fact and I don’t believe in a creator. If any scientific evidence of a creator is presented, I will immediately change my mind.

there is NO evidence for evolution.

WRONG

a evolutionist wanted to prove that evolution was correct and couldnt find any evidence and instead found proof that God was the creator

WRONG AGAIN

I think evolution is stupid and if you want to believe that we came here by nothing??

You don’t know enough about evolution to have a valid and/or educated opinion. And your ignorance reflects negatively on your spiritual denomination.

I wanst brought up with religion but when you see hard evidence about the creation of the universe and life im a afraid I don’t believe a word the bible says it took millions of years for the universe to be created and for us to evolve out of minute little oraganisms so when people say god made the world in 7 days don’t h8 me becuase I chose to disbelive it

“…darwin didnt even believe his own theory!!! really he didnt…so what does that tell ya, “

Three things about this. First of all, yes he did. Second of all, the theory of evolution did not begin, or end, with Darwin. Indicting him and his personal thoughts in no way discredits the enormous volume of data which supports macroevolution and natural selection. And third, I have yet to hear a creationist ever describe the details of how creation takes place. The typical response of “God just does it” puts your creator on par with birthday party magicians and casino hypnotists.

I didnt envolve from no stupid ape…seriously how dumb…we are made by God…y awanna know where we evolved from how bout adam and eve, they the first people…they had kids, their kids had kids, their kids had kids, and so on til now…darwin didnt even believe his own theory!!! really he didnt…so what does that tell ya, yea’ I know its everyone choice on what they want to believe in but why would you want to belive somethin thats not true!!!

I won’t say I don’t believe in god, but to me with everything I’ve seen and researched (including the bible), the only thing I’ve come to conclude is that I have this notion that religion was started as a crutch. Now before you all go house and tear me apart just think about it, how would your daily life be changed if you didn’t have something to believe in, a motive to live if you will, a god and/or a higher power to say, well if I’m good and live the expectations of this being I WILL go to heaven. Now take that out of the equation and all you have are no rules, no set regulation, and chaos. Evolution is the obvious choice here, and as far as believing in god, I absolutely do, but for my crutch. Like when I’m down I can always talk to him and pray when nothing else seems to help.
Probably not what most of you were thinking but that’s my opinion…

“The more compelling of the two is obvious to anyone who looks at it objectively.”

A zealot look at this issue objectively? You ask too much toadaly…

There is no doubt, regardless of what the zealots say, that we and every other living thing on this planet evolved from primative life forms.

The only part that is “theory” is the exact mechanisms for how it occurs, but it is a fact that it does occur as mountians of evidence have proven.

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. ~Genesis 1:1 Approximately 6,000 - 8,000 years ago, God created the heavens, the earth, animals, and man in 6 days. As for what exactly God and Jesus (the Bible shows that Jesus was also there with God) did before He created everything, I’m not sure.

I don’t believe in evolution at all because I just have a hard time believing that the only reason we are here is because of chance. I’d like to think that there’s a meaning and purpose to why we’re here and what life is. I believe God is the answer to the meaning and purpose. :]

“Which came first, the chicken or the egg?”

The egg . It was laid by the female of a species. During its development it developed one or more evolutionary traits that started its distinctiveness as being a little different from the creature that laid it.

Those traits aided in its survival and growth and were therefor passed on to future generations.

Future generations kept evolving with additional survival traits until eventually the complete chicken had evolved.

But it still had to come from an egg, so the egg came first!

An interesting video link:

“Which came first, the chicken or the egg?”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70bL7h5Cpg4

I dont belaive in “god” but of course we evolved from cavemen…the real question is …did we evolve from apes…I beleive we did. and I beleive in evolution because the enviroment that something grows in has everything to do with how something turn out and evolves into somethimng else.. things need to adapt to there surrounding enviroment. if your going to beleive in a god, choose mother nature

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Ditto to what captainassassin said. I love Pikachu.

Genesis chapter 1.

Evolution has more proof and to me sounds more logical.

Evidence of evolution out ways theories of the bible but of corse that never mattered before so just pic 1 & go with it

…and I’ll pick Pikachu. He can ‘zap’ stuff.

Genesis account of the Bible is true and complete.

…complete, hmmm? Where are the cavemen and dinosaurs?

“there is NO evidence for evolution”

There isn’t? Oh boy, I had it wrong all these years.

Thanks for setting me straight…

well then, I pick evolution.