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Sacrifice your family and even our children???
The following quoted from: Bible Gateway
“Because families may oppose Christ’s call to discipleship, a true disciple must be prepared to abandon not only possessions but also family (19:29; compare 8:21-22; 10:21, 34-37) for Christ’s name (compare 5:11; 10:22; 24:9). Jesus himself (12:46-50; 13:55-57) and probably many in Matthew’s Jewish Christian audience had suffered rejection by their families, a pain felt much more severely in that culture than in ours.
The modern Christian emphasis on family values is important, but we must beware lest family become idolatry: for instance, parental opposition or concern for our children is not an adequate excuse to reject God’s call to the mission field. In response to such sacrifices God multiplies our resources (19:29) precisely because in the kingdom we find a new and larger family than the one we have left behind, and as a family true believers share their resources with one another (Acts 2:44-45; 4:32-35; Kee 1977:109-10; Tannehill 1975:147-52).”
So religious people claim that they love and protect their families against all evil. According to above, they must sacrifice their beloved families as and when required. Also, according to one of the Christians on this site, you must abandon your family when they do not believe in god anymore or they are sinful and show no remorse and not love and cherish them anymore, like you’ve promised !!!.
Does that mean: Rejecting your child when he/she leave god, deny him the love he deserve? Rejecting your child when he/she is gay? Rejecting your husband/wife and divorce them because he/she do not believe? Or reject your parents for the same reason?
According to the bible, people sacrificed a lamb when asking for forgiveness for their sins.
My Question: Why in hell cant religious people nowadays, instead of rejecting (sacrificing) their loved ones, rather ….light a fire and Sacrifice a lamb???
After this your loved one are “supposedly” forgiven by your god, WHY cant you have it in your heart to forgive them, love them and go on with your life’s even though he/she do not believe???
Says who? You?
Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Kill your husband/wife, son/daughter or any other family when they are non believers, please don’t even bother abandoning them!!!
Ok then, so it is all fine to kill them for other reasons to???
Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
THAT WAS THE OLD WAY IT WAS DONE.
Nowadays, there are laws against sacrificing people. That’s taboo. And besides human laws, there are new moral laws set in place by JESUS CHRIST. Hence “CHRIST”ians. And besides, even if it were a matter of sacrifice, we wouldn’t even need to because Jesus took care of that for us. He is the eternal sacrifice.
I’m not justifying old ways. Only new ones. Don’t judge Christians by their history. Don’t judge anyone by their history. Most things in our history don’t apply anymore.
I’m sorry this turned into an argument and not a discussion. Not much can be learned when yelling begins. Sorry.
Do you expect us to sacrifice livestock? Jesus took care of that, it says so in the Bible. As far as killing nonbelievers, that might have been the case in the past and it was up until Jesus came, but when he did, the standard changed and he told us to love one another. Jesus changed it, we didn’t, he did.
So my Question was:
My Question: Why in hell cant religious people nowadays, instead of rejecting (sacrificing) their loved ones, rather ….light a fire and Sacrifice a lamb???
Which part didn’t you understand?
Instead of rejecting (sacrificing) their loved ones, rather ….light a fire and Sacrifice a lamb !
Why don’t so called xtians accept their loved ones instead of:
Rejecting your child when he/she leave god, deny him the love he deserve? Rejecting your child when he/she is gay? Rejecting your husband/wife and divorce them because he/she do not believe? Or reject your parents for the same reason?
And you keep going on about god this and god that. Read my post at the top of this page again, if this doesn’t make sense!
Melon now your talking BS because you guys only like to apply whatever suits you!!!
You said: The point isn’t that you should slit your family’s throat and kill and disown to show you are a true believer
I said: Thats what you say and not your Bible, so how doesn’t that apply to your reply???
It doesn’t just not apply to ME, it doesn’t apply to ANY Christians today. No one who believes in God is expected to kill non-believers. We don’t sacrifice anymore, that was taken care of. When I say that we should be prepared to give up all we own in the name of God, it just means that we have to be secure in our faith that we’ll never be shaken if we believe God is asking us to do something.
When the Bible refers to sacrifice, it doesn’t mean people! They would sacrifice their livestock for their sins. It meant giving up something precious to show that you’re really sorry for your sins.
All of those things you brought up don’t even apply anymore. We don’t sacrifice livestock to God anymore, that’s what Jesus was for. Of course Christians don’t kill people that disagree, or people that rebel, you never hear about “the Christian radicals killing groups of non-Christians.”
The reason that stuff was put into the Bible at all was because it offers history for our faith. Those were God’s first group of followers. I’m not justifying killing, I’m just saying it doesn’t apply anymore.
True Toadaly, as if a lamb on a bbq wouldn’t have been enough, he had a moment of insanity ….or maybe he would have received pardon from his master, for being insane All along ;-)
Coolguy97 a little something for you to read!
“When Leaving Jesus Means Losing Your Family by Valerie Tarico, Ph.D
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. -Jesus, Matthew 10:34-36
When my Gen why friend Michael confessed publicly that he couldn’t believe any longer, it cost him a full ride scholarship and all of his friends but three. But that wasn’t the worst of it. Michael had to make a choice: He could stay in his parents’ home only if he refrained from “spiritual pornography,” meaning any media that were critical of faith. He could stay there only if he kept his doubts muted and invisible. Michael said he couldn’t do that and moved out. His mother said it would have been better had he died. His father banned Michael from seeing beloved younger siblings without supervision. (Apparently spiritual pornography can lead to spiritual pedophilia?) Loneliness and despair took him to the brink of suicide.
Michael is warm, funny, and fiercely smart. Today he is back in school at a secular university, going it alone, working his way toward becoming a brain scientist. But the choices he was forced to face and the rejection he experienced are matched in our society only for kids who confess that they are gay. “
The point isn’t that you should slit your family’s throat and kill and disown to show you are a true believer. You’re missing the point. The point of it is that God is our master, do what he commands, whether it be loving others or being willing to give up everything you own in this life for God.
One of the most celebrated figures in the Bible is Abraham. Why is he so great? Because he was willing to slit the throat of his own son.
What a nauseatingly disgusting set of values.
So the main thing is??? You can choose what to apply and what not???
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