Progressive ideology

as I said do not think I was bashing you. you have a sarcastic arrogance I just think your question is not ready to be asked .

Jimahl just keeps making my point over and over and over again. When you can’t find a sound argument, you label people a “moron”, and “idiot”.

tseipeht, not only does he not have a clue about what you “said” in your question, he made your point beautifully.

Not your best, but Jimahl and I’m sure others will help solidify what you were reaching for.

And phrannie, you’ve hit it on the head. I keep expecting someone to send a picture of their manhood, and challenge all other males.

tseirpeht, where are you getting your info… What do you consider conclusive evidence? What is your expertise in evolutionary science that enables you to make such a claim?

Phrannie, it is difficult to cary on intelligent, thoughtful dialogue about the possible existence of god, when you have people like tseirpeht and amblessed making comments that evolution is not true and the genesis story is. Sorry, that kind of ignorance should never go unchallenged.

you are kind of coming of as a pessimistic nihilist…and a bit pompous.(mostly with the last part) but I do see what you are getting at.. but may I recomend you re-evaluating this and maybe trying to articulate yourself in a different way.. you sound like you are ready to bring down another inqusition.. please do not take this as a bashing rephrase youself… dont let your mind be so open your brain falls out..

As a quasi-bystander on these religion discussions…I’m just talking “religion” in general…belief in God, in general…NOT the fundementalistic types, the “Praise Jesus…and you’re going hell!!” types…but the people who believe and are able to articulate their beliefs in a way that allows even “people like ME” who really don’t know…The people who have evolved passed comparisons to the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus…who have a comprehension of the definition of faith…I don’t understand the lack of meaningful discussion…dicussion in which everyone would benefit from hearing intelligent discourse.

…instead we’re in a school yard setting…”your mom wears army boots, believes in God, and you’re a moron”…Well said… makes me want to hear more…NOT! Is this a sign that immaturity is contagious?? Is this reverse evolution…starting as an adult, and reverting to childhood…then to what…monkeydom??

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You can not claim evolution as fact if it hasnt even passed the model phase of testing. There is no conclusive evidence.

“Why is it that you feel so threatened by religion if it isn’t even your faith to begin with?”

I am not personally threatened by religion. I think it is useless, and does much more harm than good to society.

“As a man of faith I am required to spread the word of responsibility and redemption in faith not force it. “

Define “spread” as oppose to “force”. 95% of the people in this country know all about religion, and what is about, so the information is already spread. Your problem lies in people who don’t want to hear about it anymore. But you guys keep it up anyway. Is that not using forcefull measures to “spread the word” that has already been spread and rejected?

“However it was people in the progressive movement that thought we should teach evolution as fact.”

Ready seao2florida… wait for it…

tseirpeht, you are an idiot.

And yes, you did miss one…

The theory of evolution is based on facts. As are all scientific theories. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence that points to evolution as a true natural phenomena. There is no evidence that is contrary to it, and no evidence to support the religious beliefs about creation.

“So in efforts to promoting tolerance of other ideals and political views you encouraging another Hitler. “

WTF??? Please explain yourself here. How is using science to determine our origins as a species equavlent to “encouraging another Hitler.”

“to challenge a question with discourse…is FAR FAR different than lowering yourself to a 5th grade level, with a constant barrage of name calling…”

phrannie, I did challenge it with discourse, and when have I enganged in a “constant barrage of name calling”. I called him an idiot once in this post, and it was more of a joke because tseipeht brought it up in his question, and because seao2florida thinks he is the religion section cop whose job is to prevent athieists from posting their opinions. I replied with many plenty of “discourse” in direct response to what he said in his question. Why are those arguments being ignored.

I will say it again, anyone who thinks that the story of genesis is true, and that the evidence for evolution is weak or inconclusive, is completely ignorant.

Seao2florida, since you are wearing your knight in shining armor gear, and rushed in to protect a believer, do you think evolution is not a real natural phenomena? Do you agree with tseipeht?

seao2florida thinks he is the religion section cop whose job is to prevent athieists from posting their opinions. I replied with many plenty of “discourse” in direct response to what he said in his question. Why are those arguments being ignored.

See there you go again. Let me explain it to you one more time. Don’t have an issue with you posting. What I do have a problem is your attacking, criticizing and belittling people for THEIR beliefs, and offering little or nothing to the questions.

Seao2florida, since you are wearing your knight in shining armor gear, and rushed in to protect a believer, do you think evolution is not a real natural phenomena?

Wow, didn’t rush in to “protect a believer” he can handle himself, but thanks for the “shining armor gear”

Evolution is “not a real natural phenomena?” I believe it to be real, I don’t believe it is a natural phenomena.

“See there you go again. Let me explain it to you one more time. Don’t have an issue with you posting. What I do have a problem is your attacking, criticizing and belittling people for THEIR beliefs, and offering little or nothing to the questions.”

Do you have a problem with those who belittle my beliefs? Because there are plenty on here who do. But I am a big boy, I can handle it. But if someone posts something as ignorant as saying science is BS, or that evolution is no real, as tseirpeht here has, I will challenge them on it. That is not criticizing someone for their beliefs, that is criticizing someone who is ignorant. The fact that his ignorance stems from his religious belief is only secondary. Most believers are not that ignorant. Most believe that the bible is allegorical, and accept evolution. Even the catholic church accepts it.

“Evolution is “not a real natural phenomena?” I believe it to be real, I don’t believe it is a natural phenomena.”

So is it a super-natural phenomena? At least you believe it is real. What do you think of people who do not think it is real? Who think the world was created 6000 years ago, and that we were all decended from 2 people? What do you think of their critical thinking skills? Do you think that they should be dictating what is taught in science classes?

Jimahl,

“Do you have a problem with those who belittle my beliefs? Because there are plenty on here who do.”

No one posts on your beliefs unless you come into the R&S section and begin belittling those who have posted a question. (You are getting better by the way, till you had to call him an “idiot”). And as I’ve said before, I don’t belittle you for your beliefs or lack thereof. Don’t care. There are lots of people here, none of whom have exactly the same opinions on every aspect of life. I do have a lot of problem with those who cannot accept that someone holds a belief different from their own, here or anywhere else on this site.

Science hasn’t answered some of the really interesting questions - it is looking, just hasn’t found the answers.

And just as I wrote it, no I don’t believe evolution is a natural phenomena.

And jimahl, I can’t offer you scientific evidence that a deity exists. But until you can provide scientific evidence that one cannot, try accepting that there are others who believe one does.

And as to the “world was created 6000 years ago…” There are still some who read the bible literally, I don’t. I don’t belittle them for their beliefs, I don’t even challenge them for it. Why would I care? It is their belief. I wonder why you and others feel it is your “duty” to challenge them? It is you who are the self appointed FunAdvice Religious Policeman. I still wonder why you feel you must challenge religious or spiritual beliefs.

If God told man he created the world, life and all as we know it in 6 days, Man wrote it down as he understood it. I don’t know how long a day is to a God. I’m relatively secure it is not one revolution of this tiny rock in all the possible references in an infinite universe. So no, I don’t take the bible literally.

“Do you think that they should be dictating what is taught in science classes?”, No more than I think only atheists should “dictate” what is taught in schools.

And by the way, responding to

Jimahl,

“Do you have a problem with those who belittle my beliefs? Because there are plenty on here who do.”

No one posts on your beliefs unless you come into the R&S section and begin belittling those who have posted a question. (You are getting better by the way, till you had to call him an “idiot”). And as I’ve said before, I don’t belittle you for your beliefs or lack thereof. Don’t care. There are lots of people here, none of whom have exactly the same opinions on every aspect of life. I do have a lot of problem with those who cannot accept that someone holds a belief different from their own, here or anywhere else on this site.

Science hasn’t answered some of the really interesting questions - it is looking, just hasn’t found the answers.

And just as I wrote it, no I don’t believe evolution is a natural phenomena.

And jimahl, I can’t offer you scientific evidence that a deity exists. But until you can provide scientific evidence that one cannot, try accepting that there are others who believe one does.

And as to the “world was created 6000 years ago…” There are still some who read the bible literally, I don’t. I don’t belittle them for their beliefs, I don’t even challenge them for it. Why would I care? It is their belief. I wonder why you and others feel it is your “duty” to challenge them? It is you who are the self appointed FunAdvice Religious Policeman. I still wonder why you feel you must challenge religious or spiritual beliefs.

If God told man he created the world, life and all as we know it in 6 days, Man wrote it down as he understood it. I don’t know how long a day is to a God. I’m relatively secure it is not one revolution of this tiny rock in all the possible references in an infinite universe. So no, I don’t take the bible literally.

“Do you think that they should be dictating what is taught in science classes?”, No more than I think only atheists should “dictate” what is taught in schools.

And by the way, responding to tseipeht’s statements “You can not claim evolution as fact if it hasnt even passed the model phase of testing. There is no conclusive evidence. “ With nothing but questions just debases your argument. “tseirpeht, where are you getting your info… What do you consider conclusive evidence? What is your expertise in evolutionary science that enables you to make such a claim?” If you’re going to debate him on the topic, then lay down your evidence.

“No one posts on your beliefs unless you come into the R&S section and begin belittling those who have posted a question. “

Uhmm, seao2florida, in case you haven’t noticed, it is the religion and spiritualty category, not the religiously-people-only-post-here section. There are many questions posted on here concerning the existence of god, or about belief and lack of belief. Those are primary the questions I post on.

“You are getting better by the way, till you had to call him an “idiot”.”

That was for your benefit. But I will say it again, anyone who thinks that evolution is not real, and the genesis is, is a blind fool.

“And as I’ve said before, I don’t belittle you for your beliefs or lack thereof.”

No, you just belittle me for daring to espouse those beliefs in the R&S section.

“Don’t care. There are lots of people here, none of whom have exactly the same opinions on every aspect of life. I do have a lot of problem with those who cannot accept that someone holds a belief different from their own, here or anywhere else on this site.”

You are generalizing. I have never said anything about not accepting beliefs solely because they are different from my own. There is only a relatively small (but vocal) number of people whose belief goes beyond acceptability. Those who want relgion taught in school, and who want ID to be taught along side of evolution, should be completely unacceptable in american society.

“Science hasn’t answered some of the really interesting questions - it is looking, just hasn’t found the answers. “

Science, while it has not completely answered many questions, it has answered many, many questions over time. And it is answering more and more each day. I can’t think of one single question religion has answered.

“And just as I wrote it, no I don’t believe evolution is a natural phenomena. “

So you believe it is a supernatural phenomena?

“And jimahl, I can’t offer you scientific evidence that a deity exists. But until you can provide scientific evidence that one cannot, try accepting that there are others who believe one does. “

One cannot prove a negative. I can no more prove god doesn’t exist than you can prove the easter bunny doesn’t exist. I do accept people believe, my wife believes. But I don’t accept people who deny facts because they interfere with their beliefs.

“And as to the “world was created 6000 years ago…” There are still some who read the bible literally, I don’t.”

Good for you…

“I don’t belittle them for their beliefs, I don’t even challenge them for it. Why would I care?”

I care because that kind of ignorance is down right dangerous. Look what they did to galilleo because of the truth he found out about our solar system. He was jailed for it. These people want to teach ID and creationism in public schools. I have a huge problem with that. As should any other normal thinking american.

“It is their belief. I wonder why you and others feel it is your “duty” to challenge them? It is you who are the self appointed FunAdvice Religious Policeman. I still wonder why you feel you must challenge religious or spiritual beliefs.”

I wonder why you feel it is your duty to challenge anyone who criticizes extreme religious zealotry? Again, I don’t challenge all religious belief, so please stop implying that.

“If God told man he created the world, life and all as we know it in 6 days, Man wrote it down as he understood it. I don’t know how long a day is to a God. I’m relatively secure it is not one revolution of this tiny rock in all the possible references in an infinite universe. So no, I don’t take the bible literally. “

And you think that those who are so misguided that they believe it literally, even though all evidence points to that being impossible, should not ever be challenged? Fine, then move on. Because I am not going to stop.

“And by the way, responding to tseipeht’s statements “You can not claim evolution as fact if it hasnt even passed the model phase of testing. There is no conclusive evidence. “ With nothing but questions just debases your argument. “tseirpeht, where are you getting your info… What do you consider conclusive evidence? What is your expertise in evolutionary science that enables you to make such a claim?” If you’re going to debate him on the topic, then lay down your evidence.”

The evidence for evolution is overwhelming and universally accepted by the scientific community. If anyone has problems finding the evidence, I will be happy to point it out for them. It is a fact that evolution occurs. It has been observed and documented. The theory of evolution is how exactly it happens. And so far the theory has not been challenged by any other theory.

You do realize gravity is only a “theory” too? Should gravity be ignored also?