If theres God, why can it all be explained by science?

@genesis999: Interesting quotes. The first one is not, in fact, a quote, but a paraphrase: http://www.archivum.info/sci.astro.amateur/2005-10/02092/%5BOT%5D_Religious_Author_Quotes_Astronomer

I can’t find an original copy of the second quote either; it’s difficult to tell without context what precisely he was referring to.

Regardless of the above, the personal views of a scientist don’t constitute evidence - and evidence, not personal opinions or theological suppositions, is what shows us how the universe works.

I would love to hear of some of these other scientists who “have been so challenged by scientific finding in recent years it has ‘forced’ them to believe in some form of Creator” - especially given that, as any reasonable scientist will acknowledge, a creator has no explanatory power, since one then has to explain where the creator came from.

those are the humans desicion, not gods!!! how else do you think this world got here, us, animals ect… and why do you keep on asking this???

if you think about it noone was here then. so there is noone to explain it. and god is not science that is more of a belief you believe in what you want. I go to catholic school and I’ve been going since I was in pre-k. and yes there are still a lot of things that I dont believe.

Man… love such arguments… but since im the all knowing.. I will explain to you confused and lost folk… were actually a part of a particle in the face “Morshu the Shopkeep” … Morshu is an all powerfull entitity selling lamp oil.. ropes.. and bombs for rupees and controlls time and space with he’s cunning arm movement while representing he’s merchandise… he mmm’d our world.

I believe he did qualify it when he suggested belief in god stemmed from the need to explain the unknown, and those explanations were that god intervened to, for an example, create the stars.

But no mind, I have no issues with deism at all. In fact the only issue I have is with fundamentalist who deny science because it interferes with their mythology.

There is a theory in science called intelligent design which is the theory that there is planning and that creation is not random, therefore pointing to the belief that something intelligent is the cause for creation

Lots of believers think that god created the world through science, not many believe he made everything just pop up here.

Exactly jimahl and arachnid… we see evolution in our world today… every time a cow gives more milk, a crop gives more food… thats evolution, well genetics, which is a faster evolution… so… yeah! lol

you beat me to it arachnid. I have seen this ridiculous ‘conversation’ many times before.

What the creationist morons fail to see is that evolution has been observed and verified throught fossil records. But instead of actually discussing the overhelming evidence, they come up with nonsensical arguments.

FIRST OF ALL SCIENCE CAN ONLY EXPLAIN THE NATURAL WORLD!!! GOD: supernatural higher being. supernatural:above nature

Exaggeration in confidence in scientific theories. Most of what’s taught in schools on guessing at stuff that happened a long time ago has been scientifically proven false. But publishing corrections and more recent theories might shake people’s confidence and the people that write the info don’t want that.

It is known that the human being does neither create him/herself nor does he/she the animals, the plants, and the earth he/she lives on.

Known by whom? How do they know it? Why can’t they prove it?

how else do you think this world got here, us, animals ect…

Through a natural process of cosmic and bioligical evolution. There is no reason to think there was anything supernatural involved. Science explains very nicely how we got here.

Excelled? Perfection? Far from it… what about all the bad people out there, terrorists, crime, murderers… mass-murderers, corrupt governments… we are destroying the planet… wiping out other species for our personal gain.

And you call humans “perfect”?

I don’t think it’s semantics - there’s an enormous and fairly fundamental different between “cannot be explained” and “are not yet explained”.

Hee, I knew someone was going to say something about that as soon as I hit post, but I decided not to edit. Leave it to the internet to get people boiling mad over semantics.

“Currently” was exactly what I meant to say, of course.

It is known that the human being does neither create him/herself nor does he/she the animals, the plants, and the earth he/she lives on. The Holy Quran has stated this fact in the following verse: {{Or were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators? Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Rather, they are not certain.}}, (Holy Quran 52: 35-36(

The vestiges of Allah’s attributes and the features of His magnificent creation are existing in every corner of the whole world. Everything is made in the universe is considered as a sign that betokens Allah Almighty Who has created, brought to perfection and excelled in making His creatures.

There are tremendous, basic mysteries about the very nature of life, self, and the origins of space and time that cannot be explained by science, which is why there is still such an enormous need for faith.

I don’t see the correlation of their being unexplained phenomena in the universe and a ‘need for faith’. Just because some people choose to explain the unexplainable with supernatural origins, does not mean it is necessary. In fact, I think it is a hinderance.

It can ALL be explained by science? Are you serious?

This is the kind of representation that atheists do not need. There are tremendous, basic mysteries about the very nature of life, self, and the origins of space and time that cannot be explained by science, which is why there is still such an enormous need for faith. Learn some bloody humility before your arrogance gets you into trouble.

This is the kind of representation that atheists do not need. There are tremendous, basic mysteries about the very nature of life, self, and the origins of space and time that cannot be explained by science, which is why there is still such an enormous need for faith.

‘scuse me? Cannot be explained by science? How do you know they cannot be explained by science - unless you’re talking about the sort of thing that’s so vaguely expressed as to be untestable?

“Currently not explained by science” I’ll accept - it’s obvious that there’s a lot to learn about, well, everything. But if you’re going to assert that something cannot be explained by science, I think I want some evidence of that. Or some examples at the very least.

Hey… the “questioner” is a girl… me… Jess.

–cannot be explained by science–

Alright then, does not mean we need to fill the gaps of logic with faith in god

–Learn some bloody humility before your arrogance gets you into trouble.–

Arrogance? what an ironic statement…

Everyone needs someone to belive in<3

thats why I quit believing in god. oh :god made you. you wouldnt be here today if he wasnt born” blah blah blah

Most people still believe out of a fear of death, and because they are comforted by the thought of a loving god greeting them in the afterlife. That doesn’t mean they think science is wrong. Then there are some people who believe because they are just ignorant . Those people actually think science hasn’t explained anything, and they deny the evidence that shows the world developed and evolved naturally, and wasn’t created out of nothing by a magician in the sky.

Exaggeration in confidence in scientific theories. Most of what’s taught in schools on guessing at stuff that happened a long time ago has been scientifically proven false. But publishing corrections and more recent theories might shake people’s confidence and the people that write the info don’t want that.

Care to show us the evidence of this conspiracy to not publish ‘corrections’?

No reputable scientist ‘guesses’. They hypothesize, they test the hypothesis, the test it again, they get others to test it, then they submit it to the scientific community for consensus, once all that happens, it become a theory. You obviously know nothing about the sicentific method. Gravity is also ONLY a theory.

Please provide the list of most of whats been taught in schools that has been proven false. I bet you can’t give me one.

god does not exist which most Scientist are atheists so that why and the stars got in the sky by… so not going to tell you now go watch th history ch ok mabe you might lirn something

Sorry for interjecting lainggh… Then you are not talking about the judeo-christian, muslim, or any other gods that allegedly interferes with this natural world. And that is what the question refered to. It is the claims by religion that god has been the guiding force for everything that happens. A diest point of view like yours can not be proven or disproven. But creationist myths, stories of global floods, and a god-man coming to earth, can and should be scrutinized by science. So far science has not been able to prove any of these outrageous claims. Logic dictates they probably didn’t.

@lainggh: It sounds like you’re a deist. I have no quibble with anyone who believes in a deity that has no interaction with the everyday world, so we’re more or less in agreement. :)

The questioner did not qualify what he meant by god. What I attempted to show was that, if one chooses to accept the idea of a supernatural entity, the only rational choice would be deism.

The some people accept scientfic explanations but think god did it that way, which including god seems unnecessary and irrational to me. same with deism, seems pointless imo but w/e

@ arachnid

By outside of nature I am implying a funcionality existing outside of the bounds of this or any other universe (beyond the confines of time, space, etc.). Of course, there could not be scientific proof of such an existence, and I agree that if such a funcionality interfered with the real world in a “miraculous” way, it should be able to undergo and survive scientific scrutiny. My personal beliefs are based solely on philosophical reasoning. I believe in a God that interferes solely by means of the act of creation. In other words, a God which purposed all things at the very moment of creation, and therefore does not actively intrude in our world except in an extra-universal sense.

Reason, and by implication science, is the only way to observe His natural interference - and therefore reason has proven all revealed religions to be largely false.

because the very definition of God is something supernatural, in other words something which occurs outside of nature. science deals ONLY with nature, so you can’t expect science to prove something which exists outside of nature.

Define what you mean by ‘outside of nature’, instead of playing semantic games. If the god you believe in interferes with the real world (through miracles, for example), the effects are measurable and subject to scientific investigation. If (s)he doesn’t, then its existence or otherwise is pretty much immaterial, since it has no impact on the real world.

because the very definition of God is something supernatural, in other words something which occurs outside of nature. science deals ONLY with nature, so you can’t expect science to prove something which exists outside of nature. however, other things might serve as proof, but it all depends on whether the individual views it as proof ENOUGH. Atheism, agnosticism, deism and theism are all valid convictions, depending on what level of evidence you consider sufficient.

something that cannot be explained scientifically is the scientific nature of science itself

Oh look, a repost of a long-debunked creationist ‘feel good’ story that doesn’t actually bear any relationship to real life, or have any real relevance.

@pinkandgreen123: What exactly does “above nature” mean? Do you mean that God has no physical effect on the world? If so, then yes, science can’t investigate it. But if you’re going to claim that God can affect the world, then that’s open to investigation and testing.