God in the pledge..

Actually, I do whine about “in god we trust” as well. I remember looking at coins as a child wondering what the heck “E. Pluribus Unum” meant. It’s a much more fitting and interesting motto than “we’re a bunch of mindless superstitious ditto heads” (aka “In God we trust”).

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Now you’re saying ‘America’ …you originally said US, which is incorrect.

Native Americans, and their ancestors before them, didn’t set out to ‘explore’ or ‘discover’ new lands. They never ‘founded’ anything… they simply migrated where there was food, venturing into new lands was not uncommon or reason for accomplishment to them.

While that may be true, what about the people who dont’ believe in any God?

Also just because things have been that way for a long time does not mean they dont need to change. With that logic. Slavery should still be around - it was there for so long, why change it. Kids shouldn’t ride in car seats - they didn’t used to have them, why change things now!

That is not a good reason to not have change.

you know, this society is messed up. I’m with you on this whole issue. I’m 18, and just got really active in my religion (christian) a few months ago. thursday nights, I go to a meeting and we talk about these issues. it’s a complicated issue, but my group and I are trying to come up with a solution. got any other problems beside the pledge? I’d really like to know about them; maybe I can mention them to my group.

“but wasnt the united stated founded due to religious issues?”

Some North American colonies were founded by people seeking religious freedom. But if you study their history, you’ll see that some of them quickly became intolerant, oppressive theocracies, resembling the regimes they had escaped.

The American founding fathers Jefferson and Madison were of the Enlightenment school of thought. Their primary concern was to keep the state free of religious influence, believing religion to be a private matter. They wanted to make sure the state did not declare an official religion and fall under the thumb of that religion’s church, or stop people from having freedom of religion.

On the other hand, Roger Williams, who founded the Rhode Island colony, supported separation of church and state for the opposite reason. He wanted to keep the church free from state influence, believing that involvement in politics is what corrupted the church in the first place.

I’m a Christian and I personally refuse to pledge to any flag. God is who I pledge to. and to tell you the truth with all the wrong that is going on in America they should remove god from the pledge so that God wont be associated with it.

HA The US was founded by th NATIVE AMERICANS The christains STOLE it form them!

Uhhh… no… The U.S. was founded by the founding fathers. NORTH AMERICA was INHABITED by Native Americans… but there was no unity or system of government in place.

“”Ok im just guessing that most people that check this are in some type of christian faith so I probably will have a lot of people on my side””

right there your mistaken, people of many faiths and no faiths are here

as a christian you sure are cursing a lot in thes post.

and finaly yes its offencive to have that in mony and the pledge. Im a wiccan and see no reason the turm God should be in the public. God is based on faith not fact. in todays world thats what we run on …fact. Just because you think your right when it comes to religion dosen’t give you the right to force it in our face everyday.

“but wasnt the united stated founded due to religious issues?”” the U.S. is founded on politics. not wanting to take king gorge’s crap

Also notice the people b!ching of under god & crap are not of Christian faith, but of another biblical faith & refuse to do it because it isn’t “their god” that they’ld be pledging to.

& agreed with Mandyloo & aracgnid

I don’t give a crap what’s on the money or what’s in the pledge, but being forced to swear under something you don’t believe in is ridiculous. What’s the point of that? It would be like you swearing under the Roman god Zeus. Not only is it offensive to you but to that particular deity & to people who just sp happen to believe. people are not forced to recite what’s on the money, but every day in schools & other things people are forced to say the pledge & will get written up if they refuse. But as I stated, I for one really don’t care what’s in the pledge, but when forced to recite & swear under it, that it irritating. & Even more irritating is when people get offended by me swearing under something I don’t believe in, but in, but I don’t have any other choice unless I want to get a refuel to the office.

& yeah here’s an issue for you punk. Christians complain atheist & witches are taking over but if you’re found to be a witch you wont be recruited in the military, they will refuse to give you the pentagram symbol on your grave if you do so happen to serve & die in the armed forces(but they don’t mind doing Buddha or anything else), & people are fired because they are not a believer in the “one true God”. Why is that?

I dont see the point in putting “God” on anything that people have to use everyday or in the pledge of allegence. Money is something that has to be used by everyone, America is about freedom, and that include the freedom to be whatever religion that you choose. Yet, if you are not, then you still have to use money that says God on it. It’s a joke. The religous people get all offended and say “Well it would be offensive to take it off of our money.” What about the millions of people that get offended every day when they are forced to use your “God” money. It should be fair and not have any type of religious propoganda or statements on it. As for the pledge, I dont believe that people should be forced to say the Under God part, although when I was in school you could be sent to detention if you were caught not saying it. The country is supposed to be open to different religions, yet we have our children in classrooms reciting something that says Under God? Doesnt’ make much since?

The phrase “In God We Trust” being printed on money doesn’t bother me. It’s a meaningless expression that symbolizes a previous chapter in US history.

As for the pledge of allegiance, I think it’s a little absurd to have something like that in a free society. However, if people are going to say the pledge, they can say it however they would like.

These expressions of religious patriotism by themselves are harmless; but we have to be vigilant when it comes to erosion of the separation of church and state in the actual government. As long as I live in a country where separation of church and state is maintained, people can talk all they want to about “Christian heritage”.

The natives didn’t always inhabit America, they had to of found it at one point, so yes.

The main issue is that people are expected, pressured and even coerced into reciting the pledge of allegiance frequently - sometimes on a daily basis. Being obliged to repeat the ‘under god’ bit when you believe it to be completely untrue is offensive - consider how you might feel if it said “under vishnu” or “under allah”.

Further, it was added very recently - in 1952. That doesn’t count as a ‘looong time’ in my book.

HA The US was founded by th NATIVE AMERICANS The christains STOLE it form them!

I see both of yalls point.. but wasnt the united stated founded due to religious issues? ya these times are different but honestly how many adults recite the pledge enough for them to actually get offended by it, I cant think of any… can u?

It doesn’t bother me that it’s there, it bothers me when we were forced to recite it. I dont believe in a God, and I don’t think that my children, if they choose to not believe should be forced to say “Under God.” It goes against their beliefs. It doesn’t affect me, but it will affect my son when he’s in school.