Do any of you believe in God and "the Devil"?

Faith is not a tangible thing; my faith is customized to fit me. My goal isn’t to win the debate, I have been around politicians long enough to know that you can’t win debates. Even when another person is cornered they will defend their beliefs even when they begin to question it themselves. I know I can’t change the heart of Capt, Utopia, Jim or Minister; because the faith that fills my heart is a different make up of what would fill theirs and your heart. My car’s fuel requires diesel, yours requires gasoline, and even if I could give you my fuel to make your car go it wouldn’t do it a bit of good because it is not compatible. Here I am simply to be persecuted, insulted by the very people I am trying to show love. One day I hope that they will look back and think that maybe there was something there. If you are looking for affirmation Minister then I suggest you look to G-d because I can not help you. I could show you hundreds of things that would look like a happy bunch of coincidences. For example the humming bird is able to fly 14 hours straight with no food when their metabolism consumes all energy in a matter of a couple hours. So what? Big deal evolution just hasn’t explained that yet. The universe is constantly expanding which was said it the bible, once again big deal lucky guess. The bible was able to account for cities that were not discovered until recently, so what? The author had a history book. G-d gave us horses, a creature that has virtually no impact on the environment what so ever so we could have transportation. Again big deal evolution does not require that all creatures have some impact on the environment. I can also point out to airplanes, satellite television, Cyrus the great, Napoleon, Alexander, Iraqi war. But a lot of those are vague in a sense (Well Cyrus was described in impeccable detail). The earth is round, but so what there were a lot of astronomers who believed in the same thing. The list goes on and on but still just a bunch of coincidences or just vague scriptures. Let he who has eyes see, and he who has ears hear. That means that those who want to find G-d will find him. G-d bless you all I am done on this post, I will see you again the next post around. I do not want others to think that I do this for debating or winning an argument because to be honest I only have two friends on this website I know what a snow balls chance in hell is. My goal is to glorify G-d, not achieve some kind of meaningless fame of debating. So you have the last words, even call it a win if you like.

ok, if you don’t believe in the infilling of the Holy Ghost, or the bible, then there’s nothing I can say to help you. BUT here’s some biblical refences to some things.

Isaiah 14: 12-15 - How art thou fallen from Heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For hast thou said in tine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most high. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Malachi 2:10 - Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?

Luke 10: 17-18 - And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightening fall from heaven.

Colossians 1:16 - For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him.

Revelation 1:8 - I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty

Revelation 4: (10) 11 - Thou art worthy, O Lord, to recieve glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Revelation 21:6 - And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Revelation 21:8 - But the fearful, and the unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

trust me, if you want more scripture references, I can get them. everything is in the bible, and don’t even attack me, asking me how I know its true, but thats where my faith comes in. I believe its true in my heart because it says so in His word, and He lives in me.

“If there is no God or Devil or heaven or hell, how do you explain a book that was written over a 4000 year peroid, by 45 different men, all agreeing with the same theme, (A king and his kingdom) telling the same prophecies about Christ birth, crucifixion, death, burial, resurection and return, pointing to a divine self existing creator who by him and for him all things were made.”

First, the bible goes on and on about many different topics, some totally unrelated to others. In fact, the modern bible as you know it was only assembled relatively recently - 325AD at the earliest - so even bible scholars would disagree with your assertion that it’s a single book.

Second, it’s easy to have a book that’s consistent but written over a long period by many authors: Just ensure each author reads the text written before him, and doesn’t contradict it. It happens all the time - for example, with scriptwriters for television series. Presumably those don’t require divine intervention?

And the Bible doesn’t even manage that! It’s plagued with inconsistencies, and contradictory versions of the same events!

I belive in God and the devil, but somehow, I dont belive in heaven or hell… I just cant understand how when you die you go either up in the clouds or underground, where hell is all with fire and evel… But I do belive in God and devil The devil was once a beautiful angel, just next to god for power, but he wanted more and become really greedy so he left the heaven and started his own ‘kingdom’ undergrounds where other angels joined him thinking that with him, they will get better posittion and power…

But one question for all of u – what do you think, if lucifer (the devil) didnt become that greedy and jelous to God, and if everything was in perfect peace lucifer would never come down and leave the kingdom of God… sooo there would only be ‘good’ and no bad… — and that would be awesome :)))

I’ve had the same experiances as amblessed. when I was 12 I prayed, and God filled me with His precious Holy Ghost. I’m 16 now and so glad that I made that choice when I was 12 to pray to Him. at the time, I wasn’t sure if He would hear me, but I know He did, and he answered my prayer. I believe everything in God’s word is true. There is a devil. Heaven and hell are real. But, satan has no dominoin over me because I am a child of God. in other words, when I die, I know where I’m going. :)

Ok capt, out of curiosity if you read a book that had no author, then where did the book come from?

Every book I’ve read HAS an author(s)… what’s your point?

Explain to me how life can evolve?

…over time… its been documented. You could always research the subject, there’s plenty of information on the process. On the other hand, can you explain how God created life? What’s the process?

How can a parent provide information to its offspring that it does not itself already have?

…read a book… preferably in the non-fiction section.

How do two parents do that for the offspring to procreate?

Rephrase your question… it doesn’t make sense.

How do you explain the massive changes in bone structure?

WHO’S bone structure?

Now once you come up with an answer come up with a new one for every different creature of the earth, every different element, every different material. The point is you can’t, you will never be able to because these creatures simply dont have the information needed to research.

I frequently accept the fact that there are things I don’t know, and cannot explain. Its the core of my philosophy. You, on the other hand, NEED an explanation for EVERYTHING… God… a one-word answer that (in your tiny world) answers everything, yet explains NOTHING.

Regarding the concept of God; a concept that hypothetically exists outside of our universe & reality, beyond human imagination & comprehension, to which the laws of physics, time, space, nature, etc. do not apply. What makes you think a ‘human-based’ process of deduction, reasoning, logic, etc. could even come close to explaining or concluding God’s existence? Or non-existence?

You can deny all you want, it will not change the truth.

I don’t deny that fact that you’re delusional liar. I accept it… and handle it as usual.

The point is every man made thing has a design to it. It wouldnt just create itself. Same for life, everything about our planet just happens to work together in harmony. Cant you say that it is at least a little odd that everything happens to work a little too good? When we build a house we do not just throw lumber wire nails and pipes and expect a house to turn up. It takes planing designing and an author, so I assume that life which is much more complicated requires design as well. Some lumber can be exchanged for another type, some wire can be exchanged as well. Not for humans though, we need to be very specific of what comes into our bodys. We also serve different purposes, our likes and dislikes are never the same which adds to the possibility that something out there didnt want us to be like the rest of the animals or each other. Could it be so hard for you to admit that there is something odd to the way the world is, the relationships everything has with another?
To Ty. the proof to me is in the relationship of the world and the univierse how everything just happened to come around by pure coincidence. I find it hard that a plant would grow legs start walking around and breath oxygen. Nothing cant create somthing, nothing ever has, nothing ever will.

Where did G-d come from? Well, he was always there. How? I don’t know and can not pretend to know that because my mind and body is dictated by time. As a creature with a limited amount of time on this earth they concept of forever is too great for me to fully appriciate.

Have you actually experienced history?

Your living in it, eg, the United States wouldn’t be Christian if it weren’t for the Romans bringing fire, sword & conversion upon the Europeans…RIGHT???

Of course :)

So, if you speak English (you’re writing in it…) you live in the United States…you’re not Native American, and writing in Navajo or another language RIGHT???

My people - and yours - came, saw and conquored. That’s what we know, irrefutable, historical fact. You can’t deny it. There is more proof (common language, your presence in this country, your European heritage) of what I say than anything which supports the bible.

The bible, the q’ran, the torah…haven’t they all been at the center of war since inception? Since creation of those works, hasn’t there been violence & bloodsheed along the way?

Are you denying the holocuast? The slaughter of the native americans (or did they just vanish…?).

You’re not an idiot. Therefore, please, don’t act like one.

…I experience English. I know two languages. You can’t perfectly translate two languages…as syntax matters. Thoughts are framed by your linguistic background (eg, get a clue & learn something if you think this is somehow wrong).

Therefore, the Islam idea is correct in that you should read the holy book in the language it was written…so as to understand the ideas better. :)

However, based on the shared experience of every American living who isn’t native…I say, if we have European ancestry, we had our belief system stolen from us. And because if there is a higher power & they seemed intent on giving a different answer to each group in the world…it’s impossible to say that I should believe in the answers from another place and another time, when I can speak to the higher power myself, if I so chose. :) And you can’t disprove that “god” is telling me to tell you to f$$$ right off, correct?

Nope. So…buy a clue next time, rather than saying I sidestepped your question.

I believe in G-d because science has confirmed the existance of G-d. One thing that we all agree on is that earth, the universe and life all started from somthing. Because nothing has ever evolved into something, or that non living materials can evolve into living things. By that we can assume that their is a very good possibility of G-d. Now finding the right G-d requires research. If you look at all the religions only one has been able to support science, history and the nature of man. That religion says that there is a G-d who is truth, it also says there is a devil which is lies. Which makes sense, G-d can not tell a lie otherwise it would be truth. G-d has also shown him to be a loving G-d and a just G-d otherwise we would have no morals or penalty for going against moral behavior. There was also a son who was confirmed in and out of the bible. History has confirmed the existance of Yeshua and that he had performed miracles and was unjustifiably killed found in journals and records from about the same time the bible has said. One thing that I do believe in although do not understand is why. Forgivness is such a wonderful word, how is it that a G-d who has never done wrong absolutly perfect could allow forgivness to not just some but all. We feel justice is done when we execute a criminal and we are no where near the moral superiority of the father. I dont know everything about the bible, nor have I had some kind of spectacular vision of G-d. All I have is a letter of what was, what is, and what will be, I figure if I trust in that I dont need to understand everything. G-d bless you.

Easy :)

Once upon a time in a land far away…in the desert, where they had little to no explanation for things (science was unheard of) they blamed things on “god” or “gods” because they had no other explanation.

Then, the people who came up with the god & gods in various places started to build a culture, and eventually, found other people. These other people believed in different “gods” or “god” because they had a different language. Due to an unfortunate misunderstanding, war ensued. The victors said “this is proof it is OUR god or gods that are the true god or gods those others are fake.”

As a result of this war…the people who won decided to conquor others, as they found that there were even more strangers, who spoke different languages and didn’t believe in the same god(s) as the original “people” who had won the first war.

Multiply this exact situation a few hundred times all over the world…and, personally, I think you’re an idiot if you think winning a war and conquering or annihilating another culture is proof that your god or gods are correct, and not just a figment of your imagination.

Outside of this example…there are very few religions that qualify as most spread through violence…if there is a devil, it’s found in the books of major religions that only spread through fear & blood shed, like Christianity, Catholicism and Islam.

and I belive the original question said, explain based on what you’ve experianced. and no, I can’t explain the peace that I feel in my heart, but I have enough faith to belive that its a god bigger than all my problems.

trust me, if you want more scripture references, I can get them. everything is in the bible, and don’t even attack me, asking me how I know its true, but thats where my faith comes in. I believe its true in my heart because it says so in His word, and He lives in me.

You can’t KNOW it’s true, you can only BELIEVE it’s true…so they don’t prove anything.

There is no god. I’ll happily provide substantial evidence to that effect as soon as one of the believers who answered before me provide substantial evidence for the existence of their god.

there’s totally your proof.

Uh no… the human brain produces chemicals when the body is near death, from which that sensation is derived. Learn the difference between ‘proof’ and ‘evidence’

I donn’t believe in god or the devil, because the ideas are obviously mythological in origin, and there isn’t a shred of credible evidence for either.

I believe in G-d because science has confirmed the existance of G-d.

…contradictory… and a blatant LIE…

Ok…so was your answer anything in relation to the question I just asked? Not really. You didn’t answer the question at all…Do you believe in God and the Devil? Do you believe in Heaven and Hell?…But thanks anyway for the history lesson about religion and war! lol!

My goal is to glorify G-d

…by spreading lies?

Isaiah 14: 12-15

BAD EXAMPLE

knowing in my heart is the same thing as believing. its something im 100% certain of, so yes, I know. just the same as every other christian knows.

…that’s a complete contradiction… and incorrect.

If there is no God or Devil or heaven or hell, how do you explain a book that was written over a 4000 year peroid, by 45 different men, all agreeing with the same theme, (A king and his kingdom) telling the same prophecies about Christ birth, crucifixion, death, burial, resurection and return, pointing to a divine self existing creator who by him and for him all things were made. This divine self existing one being Jesus Christ.

You can say in a far away land all you want, but the places, the people and the truths from the Bible are real. They do exist, you can deny all you want, Romans 1:20-28 says you will and he will allow you to do so, but it dosen’t change the truth.

how would you know the earth was formed in that way? by reading about it in a science book. or, how do you KNOW that H2O is water… by reading about it in a science book

Nope, it can be PROVEN that H2O is water…you can touch it, see it,… scientifically it can be proven.

I KNOW that god is real, because I read it in a book.

So based on that logic, twilight is real?

knowing in my heart is the same thing as believing. its something im 100% certain of, so yes, I know. just the same as every other christian knows. like someone said earlier, you weren’t there when history happened. like, none of us were there when the earth was created. so how can people prove god’s not real by saying, he didn’t create the earth because the earth formed itself like some big random dust ball. how would you know the earth was formed in that way? by reading about it in a science book. or, how do you KNOW that H2O is water… by reading about it in a science book. so, I KNOW that god is real, because I read it in a book. and, you KNOW that dr pepper taste good because you’ve drank it. I KNOW god is real because I’ve seen what he’s created, and miracles he’s done.

“The point is every man made thing has a design to it.”

Rephrased: Every man made thing is man made

Duh. That doesn’t prove anything at all about things that aren’t man made.

“Same for life, everything about our planet just happens to work together in harmony. Cant you say that it is at least a little odd that everything happens to work a little too good?”

The appendix. Parasitic wasps. The tailbone. Tonsils. A nasal system so compressed it causes us constant problems. Parasites that can only live by burrowing through peoples’ eyes. Malaria.

Yeah, everything’s just perfect and harmonious alright.

Captain Assassin is winning this argument: everyone is deriving their facts from personal feelings or beliefs. What I want to know is HOW do you know these things? And don’t answer, “because God saved me.” I’m a preacher, I know how all of that works, but captain, do you believe in the theory of Creation or Evolution? Either one you believe in has to come from some sort of scientific background or evidence that makes your mind agree with these facts. It has been proven in history that Jesus did come to this earth and died on a cross. (and I’m keeping religion totally out of this) The factual evidence from history fails to represent His committment to doing this as “Saving” any of us. So yes, there is proof that Jesus DID exist!

That’s a circular logic… you assume the bible is proof because God wouldnt lie… that’s already presupposing God exists… also, that kinda begs the question, which came first, the bible or God… because if the bible is proof, does that mean there was no proof before the bible? and does that mean God didnt exist? if so, how would you have proved it?

HeartbrokenI do believe in god and the devil. think of all the people that have almost died, in books they wrote and said that they could practically feel their body rising up to heaven. there’s totally your proof. where else would they be going?*

If someone NEARLY died - They were not REALLY dead in the first place, so how could they describe death??? AND If they were REALLY REALLY dead, how can they live to tell the tale??? Doesn’t make sense does it??? Only a delusional person would believe such a book, what proof are you referring at?

My G-d is much stronger then then Islam. He hears my prayers wether I am facing north west east or south. I didnt need to learn his exact language because his love is not in words but in actions.

People put G-ds name in wars, not G-d. Same could be used for Hitler, he killed people who were deformed or retarded. Could we then blame all evolutionist for that? They are using the same principal survival of the fittest.

Ok capt, out of curiosity if you read a book that had no author, then where did the book come from? Explain to me how life can evolve? How can a parent provide information to its offspring that it does not itself already have? How do two parents do that for the offspring to procreate? How do you explain the massive changes in bone structure? Now once you come up with an answer come up with a new one for every different creature of the earth, every different element, every different material. The point is you can’t, you will never be able to because these creatures simply dont have the information needed to research. You can deny all you want, it will not change the truth.

I believe the Bible is the true Holy inspired, infallible Word of God from cover to cover - Jesus Christ paid the price for me and you on that cross - one either accepts or rejects His offer of Salvation…actually experienced ?…yes when I was 9 years old and I prayed, acknowledged my sin and my need for a Savior - He came into my heart and lives within - I’ve been so richly blessed in my life - Greater is He that is within me than he that is in the world…substantial evidence ?…God’s Word.

ROFL … how can you beat The Dude’s example…history lesson at it’s finest … FAR CANAL !!

I believe in God and the Devil..satan was an angel who had a great position sitting at the right hand side of God, satan got greedy and wanted more power and he got booted to hell :) (substantial evidence == Bible)

There is a heaven and a hell and once again I refer to the Bible as my substantial evidence… not everyone has the chance to receive a pass to enter the pearly gates so Hell is the next option :)

Do any of you believe in God and “the Devil”? Do you believe in Heaven and Hell?

Let’s see… you capitalized all of them… so… you’re referring to the Christian depictions of the characters & places? If that’s the case, then no, I don’t believe in them. Because there is insufficient evidence to convince me of their existence, and the religious depictions of these characters & places are simply not believable to me.

P.S. – There IS no ‘substantial’ evidence as to the existence or non-existence of these characters & places.

“Explain to me how life can evolve? How can a parent provide information to its offspring that it does not itself already have? How do two parents do that for the offspring to procreate?”

…and because you don’t know means that “god did it”? That’s our chemistry, biology, geology and cosmology right there huh?

What discoveries and inventions have come from “god did it”? Does “god did it” tell us how to prevent astroid impacts, does it predict earth quakes?

There are billions of galaxies, with billions of stars and atleast half of them have planets…

“god” creating the earth and put life on it is clearly a fairytale, evolution and science make way more sense.

I don’t believe in a creator god because the evidence doesn’t support it, it’s illogical, irrational and irrelevent.

HE is god the only one. He has no parents, no daughter and no son. Nobody is like him and he is like no one. In hell you will neither die or live there are also punishments in Hell. Those who do rightetous deeds in this world will enter the Heaven. The Devil is created from the smokeless flame of fire. The devil broke the command of his lord and also cursed he was thrown of heaven for disobeying god.

Ok I believe in GOd I believe there is a devil… I believe in Heaven and I believ there is a heaven and a hell. First of all read teh bible.Its the only book the only everything that wouldnt lie.. why? because god cares for his peopel and wouldnt want to hurt them thats why he provided way for them on this earth that the devil owns (bcaues sin lives here) to help them through there lives. Now in teh beginning god creaeted everything in 6 days and rested on teh 7! ( thats why we have 7 days which equals a week.. one proof) and the devil was an angel before his name was lucifer, but then he got jealous saying why does he have the authority and power.. so he wanted to be a god. and then god kicked him out of heaven and thats why we now have something called “good or evil.Life or Death.hell or Heaven.Ugly or pretty(ha)..”

     and yeah I mean theres a lot to explain and all that but thats a point right there... if you have any comments or questions then feel free:)