Can god be proven?

I can tell you the truth in the shortest answer here.

Religion is of faith, not proof. If you dont have faith in it, then you are not of it. There is no proof and there isn’t for a reason. He will take the faithful.

* and I think that the bible is filled with stories with the only purpose but to teach you life lessons through symbolism.

I disagree. The primary purpose of the Bible is not to teach, but to control. It’s first and foremost a compilation of state generated propaganda from the days when all states were theocracies.

In answer to your question. No, gods can not be proven to date. If they could be proven, it would have been done.

Holetoledo, haha only a little.

acceptance does help, and as they are stubborn so are we. hahaha it drives me insane for a person to not take this subject rationally and people that you and I described are irrational about this.

oh, and that is counted as a contradiction in the bible as well. I can think of 100 examples in real life to make people understand how that is a bullcrap contradiction in the bible.

I did notice it. If that answered my question I wouldn’t have asked it here in the first place. so obviously we’re still going in circles.

kmart- I have said this before but I will say it again. You are very intelligent!!! Keep thinking and loving. I like the way you think and how you pose your questions. I think you know there is no proof of god. Maybe you like to see all the crazy Christians have a fit and say they love you and that you will only go to heaven if you believe in jesus and that going to church is going to transform you. I get a big kick out of it too. GO THINKERS!!! Peace :) :)

holetoledo, I appreciate your response and enjoyed reading it and I respect your answer. It’s relieving on how you approached it and I thank you for that. I completely agree. As I know but am too stubborn to stop myself, I do know that people who do that as you described, will rarely think rational about it either. and it’s amusing to observe that because they have become so either manipulated or brainwashed or everyone is just more stubborn than a brick wall to notice it about themselves.

I know that kody.

amblessed, you have no idea what you just said.

an open mind has nothing to do with what you believe. I don’t believe in god, you do, difference between you and me is that I’ve been in both sets of shoes, you haven’t, therefor your NOT APPROACHING THIS WITH AN OPEN MIND!

if I don’t have an open mind about this, or have no knowledge of this subject at all, that’s why I got to a catholic school and have an uncle for a priest, but I have no idea what it’s like for a christian I’m so closed minded with me believing in no god when I go to a school that has religion class.

f*kn dum as$

if I say approach with an open mind, assume I am and stop trying to sound smart, because I just pointed out to you and made you look like a jackass.

I questioned my faith a lot when I was younger, which I think is normal and healthy. Even if you are raised in the church, most people think for themselves enough to question some things. I once asked a youth pastor the same question, “Can you prove God?” He responded with a ‘yes, I can prove god to myself, and I will do my best to prove him to you,’ and he asked me to look at my hands. I understood him to be saying that because I’m living I must have been created by God. But once I started thinking about it the first part seemed more important, you have to prove God to yourself. Religion is faith, not science.

danger steve: I’ve read it, I’ve analyzed it, there are contradictions as I’ve said and as should be noticed.

and matt…I’m pretty sure I said if you were gunna act like that I’m beating a dead horse…your the dead horse, people who answer the way you do makes this question inevitably go in circles and pretty much is the cause of war…so please AGAIN if your planning on answering like little MATT here did, leave my question, because it’s serious, and answers like that are childish and ignorant.

God has all the Proof he needs threw his creation. He doesn’t need anyone to defend/prove his existence. The only sin that cant be forgiven is the rejecting of Gods existence and rejecting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Even if you never heard Gods word in your life time his creation should have been enough for a person to know that there is a God. Basically this leaves no one with an excuse on judgment day. >_<

yes the proof is everywhere google laminin and watch the video even the smallest type of thing was made by and for him

Well, since the cross was a PAGAN symbol before Christianity adopted it, that really doesn’t prove much…

yes the proof is everywhere google laminin and watch the video even the smallest type of thing was made by and for him

I apologize for all my typos on that last one, I hate typing on this laptop

kmart- Talking about religion with some of the people here is kind of like going in circles…don’t get your hopes up too high.

The Universe is not eternal. It had a beginning. The Universe always existing is not scientific. Matter, time, and space are finite and had a beginning. The Universe is dependent on time. Einstein showed that time and space are manifestations of the same thing; spacetime. Spacetime is finite and had a beginning. Time is dependent upon space and cannot be separated from it. Similarly, space cannot exist without time. Time is essential to measure anything. Without it, space cannot be measured, and cannot exist. Because spacetime is finite matter itself also has to be finite. Einstein showed that matter is a manifestation of energy. Without space there would be nowhere for energy to manifest into matter. Without time, when do you put matter? Matter, time, space, and energy are all dependent upon each other. The Universe could not have existed without time. This throws off the Universe existing as a singularity. The Universe had to have had a beginning because time had a beginning. The Universe could not have come about by itself. It had to be created.

In advance of matter and spacetime there was nothing. How can something come from nothing? There is absolutely no way. Something had to have existed prior to matter and spacetime. This something can only be God. Was there a point in time when he was created? Time began a finite amount of time ago. Prior to the beginning of time there was nothingness. There was no time. God existed prior to time. Therefore, there was never a point in time when he was created. He always existed. He exists outside of time and is eternal. God is not limited to matter and spacetime because he created these things. He is not bound by the Laws of Physics. He is all powerful. Because God is not consisted of matter he is immaterial. He cannot be seen, touched, tasted, or smelled. Because he is not limited to space he is omnipresent. Finally, because God exists outside of time he is eternal. He sees the past, present, and future at the same instant. Also, God can never be measured or proven scientifically because he is not consisted of matter and spacetime. You cannot understand God with science. The only way you can know God is by believing in him with your heart and soul. You must have faith in him.

Nothing finite can be infinite (eternal). Since the universe is made of finite things (matter, time, space), it therefor must be created by something without time (timeless), thus making it eternal. If it is eternal, it must be infinite, and if its the Creator, it must be God.

The universe changes, and time is the measure of change. How many changes have happened before right now? If you claim an infinite number of changes (which is impossible because you can not have an infinite amount of finite things), it is a logically impossible to conclude we could ever have reached this moment in time. In a world of cause and effect (which we live in), there can not be an infinite regress (an infinite amount of cause and effect reactions to get to a certain cause).

Allow me to rephrase. Imagine that the Earth orbits the sun every 365 days (it does). Now, on Mars, a year is much longer than an Earth year, being 687 Earth days (basically double). So, for every 2 years of Mars, Earth has circled the sun approximately 4 times. Now, imagine that this has been going on for eternity. By your logic, they would both have circled the sun the exact same amount of times, because its been going on forever (this is clearly impossible). This shows the impossibility of an infinite regress, whereby there could not have been an infinite amount of (x) before right now, in a finite universe based on time.

Now, back to God. God exists outside of time, in Eternity. God created time, and time is irrelevant to Him. God is Eternal, not created. Firstly, you have 2 choices; either everything came from nothing (which is impossible), or something always existed and created us. You have no other choice. Take a moment to think about that, remembering that it can not exist in time, that would be impossible. Time can not be eternal.

This thing that always existed would be considered Eternal, having transcended time, space, and matter, being everlasting, having always existed. If you argue this is impossible, I would argue the contrary; it is impossible for this Eternal ‘thing’ to not exist, because the alternative is that nothing existed, which could only produce nothing. So, something always existed, and is therefor Eternal.

Now, for something to be Eternal, it can not consist of time, because time must have had a beginning. We exist in a universe of causality, so an infinite regress is impossible; there could not have been an infinite amount of time before right now, because we never would have reached this moment in time. That means time had a beginning, and whatever created time exists without time, beyond time, in timelessness; Eternity.

So, this Eternal Creator, created time, and the universe. This Eternal Creator clearly is extremely powerful, because the energy of the trillions of stars in the known universe were created by this Creator. And obviously, the Creator is extremely intelligent, having created an intelligent being such as mankind and a world in which to populate with it.

jolap, it really isn’t even funny how much you contradicted urself.

and you did the same exact answer everyone does at the same time attempting to sound mart, you can’t explain how it was created, so it just was by god…it just was. you said god consists of immaterial, is not matter not energy, but creates it. 2 things that I want to point out…one life is pointless, everything, even outside of life, pointless.

Even IF god exists, it’s still pointless and I swear if anyone seriously says that god knows the point ima smack u…god creates us to save us from armegeddon that will come, the end of earth and the point in time when he will destroy hell and satan and all the no demons that crossed him and unfortunately the people who sinned and go with them while everyone else I saved and in heaven.

God is all poweful as you say, god knows all as you say. so I present 2 questions to you which will point out why it’s all contradictory.

1. If god is all those things, does this mean fate exists and that god is fate?
2. again whats the point? if god knew all, then he knew lucifer would cross him and the angels that followed him and would in turn create satan as the demon and turn his loved angels into demons as well…JUST as he creates the people knowing that they will make some choice in life to go to hell…again no point in crating them in the first place. god created us originally pure and punished us for sinning.

god isn’t there, too many contradictions, and if he IS in fact real, he is childish and egotistical. break it down one way or another and those are the only options left.

We use God as a crutch, I think. I honestly don’t know if God exists or not, but the idea of a God is obviously so strengthening to people that they plod on through the troubles they experience knowing that something or someone is on their side. Whether or not he exists, he’s proven to be a symbol of great moral support, and if that’s where people draw their strength and will from, then figuratively and veritably, more power to them.

But to me, personally, I can’t believe what isn’t tangible… I grew up to be a skeptic and one of the first things that I analyzed was the need for God or religion. Back in the day, religion was used as a form of government and force of intimidation to keep people in line, and I think that in some ways, it still is. I think it does not make sense to go on blind faith alone, but people seem to do it and generally come out fine… I envy them because it takes a lot of confidence and trust to do something like that, and to put their confidence and trust in something they can’t see… That’s an amazing (or stupid) thing in and of itself.

Anyway, I think I may have strayed a little… I’m ambivalent about whether God exists or not but I do see him more as a symbol than something real and tangible. To me, God is relative.

Kmart, God doesn’t destroy hell. Some people believe that it will be destroyed but this isn’t true. If you die without asking Jesus to pay the price for you. You’ll pay it yourself by spending eternity in Hell. This is why Christians keep nagging at you and other unbelievers so much. Regardless of what people think. I’d rather try and get the message across you and others rather then seeing anyone have to pay the price themselves. We can care less about proving are points. That’s not are motives.

If you can try and put yourself and our shoes and look at people around you. If you look hard enough you can see God working threw them. Any person, Christians and unbelievers alike. But don’t use your eyes or worldly knowledge. That’s not how the spirit realm works.

Maybe then can you understand were we get our reassurance.

Many people have read the Bible and then say its stupid. That’s because they don’t understand it. There using the wrong kind of knowledge.

Interesting you tell the person answering to have an ‘OPEN MIND’, yet ask the question without having gotten any answers you say: >> To be honest I think it’s false, I think that we use god as an excuse of creation, as an excuse for things << - where is your ‘OPEN MIND’ on the matter ?

*I can tell you the truth in the shortest answer here.

Religion is of faith, not proof. If you dont have faith in it, then you are not of it. There is no proof and there isn’t for a reason. He will take the faithful.*

Its funny how many Christians just can’t accept that…

If there was PROOF, and a person in fact KNOWS that God exists, then they would no longer have FAITH. And according to Christianity and their God, faith is a REQUIREMENT. That faith, is the ‘belief’ in something without knowing.

They get so upset when someone challenges their views, they start undermining their own faith, by claiming that they KNOW their right. It’s utterly pointless… they cannot prove that God exists; just as atheists cannot prove that God DOESN’T exist.

The bible may have several contradictions.But I believe whole heartedly in God.You see,there really IS no specific proof for God.Its like the ancient question which atheists conjured up during the time of the three prophets.’Give us proof’.The proof are the three Holy Books.Also,many people try to be modern.The books also say that sex before marriage is wrong,and have prohibited many things and people are not ready to give up their lifestyle…e.g,sex before marriage,drinking,etc.Kinda like the time when the prophets had been there and how the non believers had acted…,,but if people dont believe in God for different reasons,its their choice.Who are we to question them?They are not answerable to us and we are not answerable to them.:)

heh yes I think people who answer the kinds of questions you ask with a psalm or script from the Bible is kind of like trying to get through to a person on the phone only to be met with an automated answering machine.

I guess the only thing left to do is to accept that there are thousands of people like that out there… You don’t have to like it, but accepting it makes it a little easier.

(But only a little.)

god is reele i no it in my hart and deep in side of me