atheists and god

Your right, I cant explain it, but I do not just shove it on god as you say, Its called faith. I have faith that god did create this world as it explains in Gensis in the bible.

ok here is something interesting… why is the bible only 2000 years old? who was it written by? why is it that jesus has a few years of his life (between childhood and manhood) that are blank? how did the writer of the bible know about everything jesus did?

these are just a few questions you could answer with your faith…if you can that is…

why do you dare to question my religion, now your trying to make me feel that im wrong for believing in god. The bible is over 2000 years old. I dont know all the answers because I do not study the bible like I should.Jesus grew up as a carpenter, between his childhood and manhood wasnt important really, seems like he grew up as a normal child. Why in books do they sometimes skip as well, to get on to the important part. They knew everything he did because they were their, they wrote everything on paper in the language hebrew and they were later discovered by people would translated the stories into the bible. I dont know if that is correct but im just guessing. Im only 14 you shouldnt be asking me ask a preacher or pastor. I believe in what I do and like it or not but do not question gods existence.

You put an awful lot of emphasis on faith, so…I have faith that there is no God.

Period.

Well thats your desicion and your life. . .

Simply put: Every person will decide for themselves, the free choice, to accept or reject what God tells us in John 3 : 16.

personally I am a atheist. and I don’t disrespect anyone who believes in god. I mean, my boyfriend is christian, and I respect his beliefs.

there are atheist out there who do try to get people not to believe in god, buuut they are christians and other religious people who try and get atheists to believe, which is disrespect to our opinions.

you take the chance to believe in god. athiest take the chance and not believe in god.

not everyone has to have faith in something no one knows is real. its what you want to believe.

Christians do it to. I’m Christian, but this is exactly what I avoid. A lot of Christians throw their religion in other’s faces like other’s do to us. it’s the same thing. I believe that you should believe in what you believe. it doesn’t matter for them, as much as you. don’t worry about other people. you can do whatever you can to help them, but don’t try to change their minds cause 9 times out of 10, you’re gonna fail anywayz.

Hi I’m not a atheist or religous person (although I’m proberly more atheist) and not all atheist are god hating rejecting peeps as I’m sure not all are preechers imposing religion.I beilive within the big bang theory and that life is on the bases of evoulotion. Although some poeple don’t beilive in god some do which is perfectly fine. But it still stands that there is no evidence of god (other than the thoeritcal creation of everything.) there is the fact that the universe is expanding from one point in a spherical motion which in reveres means that it all orginated from one point which is the bigbang theory. But I think only god could have put that mass there in the first place. There is no right or wrong answer it depends on you as a person and your bieliefs. Hope this helps and if I have I didn’t mean to offenned anyone in anyway.

“If there is no god then tell me who made the earth,us, the words we speak”

We’re not getting into that, it has been argued millions of times already.

You believe in God - good for you. I don’t, and nothing you say can force me to. I’m not afraid of “what might happen”. I live my life with my own beliefs, not because I’m afraid of going to hell (and if that’s why you believe, then you got it all wrong).

Agnostics have no religion…atheists DO reject God because he doesn’t exist.

You believers really need to back off and stop trying to shove God down the throats of everyone else…seriously.

Kingofpop- are u callin me stupid?

All I know is I got an A+ on the test.

In that case, your teacher really should be fired.

Actually, I did read a book once (I forgot what it was called, but I’ll try looking it up) that had physical evidence proving the events in the Bible. Then again, proof of the Bible is one thing… proof of God is another.

I am sorry but I don’t think you did much research.

First off you have no proof of a god. None of us do. Except for a bible and what you “hear”.

I understand where you are coming from but still…

these so called atheists you mention are just little kids who have nothing better to do than talk crap…

I reject god, and my mind wont be changed. but I dont try to change others mind…

you are actually just repeating the same thing telling us atheists that we should believe… read your question again so you fully understand…

and so you know the “who made us” question is something you a believer of god cant fully explain either so please, stop that crap… we cant explain who made us and you cant either by just shoving it on “god”

…unless… she attends a private Christian or Catholic school. They tend to teach a slightly… (finger quotes) ‘modified’ version of U.S. and World History.

“You believers really need to back off and stop trying to shove God down the throats of everyone else…seriously”

I do believe I said if you dont believe in god thats FINE! but do not tell christians and catholics that their religion is bull sh*t.

“I don’t, and nothing you say can force me to. I’m not afraid of “what might happen”. I live my life with my own beliefs, not because I’m afraid of going to hell (and if that’s why you believe, then you got it all wrong)”

Did I ever mention saying that you SHOULD believe in god I said to RETHINK it. I never said all were afraid. I said I believe, what might happen about going to hell I said afraid about finding out what they believe in is lie if they were christians. I believe in god because ever since I started to believe in him from the day I was born he’s helped me make it through a lot.

“so you know the “who made us” question is something you a believer of god cant fully explain either so please, stop that crap… we cant explain who made us and you cant either by just shoving it on “god”

Your right, I cant explain it, but I do not just shove it on god as you say, Its called faith. I have faith that god did create this world as it explains in Gensis in the bible.

** I think all atheist need to re think this if they still refuse fine but dont tell christians and catholics that what we believe in is bull sht. I find that disrepectful and rude.

How is the behavior you find disrespectful and rude any different than what Christian evangelists do intentionally every day? If you kept your religion private, there would be no opportunities to mock it.

im an athiest and your question really only points out how you think whats athiests beleive in is bullshit “Anyway how does it hurt to believe in something if your not sure whats gonna happen? just take the chance. not that hard. But me im taking a chance and believeing in god because he’s kepty me alive and I believe in him that he will be waiting for me in paradise.”…ect ect blah blah blah all that and everything else says how you think “omg there all trying to convince christians that god is bullshit, so im going to write a question about it, saying that I understand people beleiving in no religion…but they shouldbecause it wont hurt you to beleive in my god, and besides youll go to heaven” I cant beleive how simple minded you are you want respect for wehat you beleive in yet show NO respect at ALL to what anyone else does without respect you will get NONE in returne im an athiest and damn proud and the first mistake you made in your question was saying “athiest and god” if someone doesnt beleive in god, thats it. they dont beleive in any god, not yours either there is NO higher power that they beleive in how was the world created? most of them beleive my evolution or some other way athiests dont beleive in gos whatsoever, they couldnt care less how your god comes into your beleifs and how the world was made. because thats what you beleive in…not them and no, its majority od christians that keep bashing non religiouse people, and saying that “waht you beleive in is wrong, your going to hell, ect” putting crap like “god bless, I hope you make tyhe right choice “at the end of there answer and saying they know hoe people dont beelive in religion, but then make it there job to say how its wrong, and how beleibving in god isnt going to hurt them”…well yes it will hurt put it this way you beleive in god, but im going to tell you that you shouldnt , beause im right and your wrong, and it wont hurt to not beleive in anything anyway …see how mad you feel? see?! it the same when you turn the tables around clearly you show no respect to anyone elses beleifes therfore how the hell can you ask for any respect in what you beleive in because from your “opinion” alone I certainly dont respect you

U dont know me so dont say I show no respect for other religions, I have friends and even my boyfriend who doesnt have a religion or dont believe in god. I have friends who believe in god in a different way. just because I wrote this one little azz question trying to get some answers or see other peoples opnions. If I said something and it offends you , get over it, I said it its done but dont take it has im just all around disrespectful. Didnt I say if you believe in other things or dont believe in god thats FINE! I clearly stated that meaning I believe in this but its your choose not to! what do you know about me? I do understand why people dont believe in god. DID I NOT SAY THAT?.”but they shouldbecause it wont hurt you to beleive in my god, and besides youll go to heaven” WHO SAID THIS?! because I didnt you did, I said what I said and I said it how I meant it, dont change it. I truly dont care if I get respect back, you dont get respect you earn it. Your wrong about them not asking themselves how the world was created.”no, its majority od christians that keep bashing non religiouse people, and saying that “waht you beleive in is wrong, your going to hell, ect” putting crap like “god bless, I hope you make tyhe right choice “at the end of there answer “ YOU AN ATHEIST RIGHT?, what DOES IT MATTER TO YOU!? right there your showing you have no respect for other religions but I dont know you in person im only reading what you wrote. You tell me how believing in god can hurt people?You havnt earned my respect and you should think before calling people simple minded because your just as much as I am, as you say.

God loves all.

If I said something and it offends you , get over it, I said it its done but dont take it has im just all around disrespectful.

So, you admit to disrespecting others, you admit you don’t study the Bible like you should and you admit that you’re just guessing when it comes to your Biblical analysis. Why should anyone on this site bother taking you seriously?

whatever I said what I said, its over, im not picking a fight I was looking for opnions not people questioning what I said. Like I said befdore you dont know me so dont judge me. thats their choose to take me seriously or not, its called “Funadvice” not serious. I dont care if im not convicing anyone that not what im here to do. I know what I was here to do and it got out of hand. And like I said im 14 I havnt focused on the bible, but I know enough of it that I believe. Im not gonna sit here and question myself out of my religion. Answers will come in time.

Wow, you guys are really upset. There is no reason to be upset. God gives us all free will. We each have the right to choose or reject God. Each person lives with his or her consequences and they have that right. There should be no bullies here. Let it go. You either believe in God or you don’t. But live your life to be a good example to others. You cannot change anyone. The only person you have control over is yourself. But do know that if you are in a relationship and you intend to bring children into the world that you and your other half are on the same page. It can get very confusing. You don’t think it will but it becomes a mess if you don’t have the same values. I learned this one the hard way. Choosing for yourself is one thing but choosing how you direct a child needs to be a team effort. But for the most part we should all try to get along with each other and not judge anyone. That is actually God’s job, not ours.

oh right silly me, your only 14… I thought you were older because you know, you were telling us to rethink our religious viewpoint and how much great luck youve had all your life following jesus…

Actually, that’s incorrect. AGNOSTICS have no religion, but don’t reject God. ATHIESTS deny the existence of a God, any God.

And also- it doesn’t really make much sense to yell at all of these people for justifying to you why they’re atheists, when that’s exactly what this question was about, right? I believe you ended your question with “all opinions welcome.” Guess that wasn’t really true…

hey kid, I’m on your side, though your question was very ranty, and often times rants really offend people.

And to answer that dude’s questions that were probably way too much for a 14 year old to even begin to try and answer…

the Bible is a collection of scripts from thousands of writers over the course of written history. Obviously stories that took place before that were handed down by mouth (as were all of the other religious books, so I think that’s fair) the old testament was origionally the hebrew bible known as the torah which is the basis of judiasm.

THe new testament is an addition and the basis for christianity because, and to put it simply, christianity is basically judaism except they also believe in the teachings of Jesus, which negate some of the older jewish teachings… so christianity is judaism revised.

the old testament was written by prophets, and can actually be used as historial reference in some cases when discussing who was king of what, and what wars were going on. It’s pretty interesting, but too complicated to get into right now.

THe new testament is a collection of accounts and letters written by the disciples of Jesus, their families, and the desciples’ desciples.

There is a gap between when Jesus was 12 and when he was 33 years old, however, it is because the Gnostic gospel of Thomas was left out of the final cannonization of the Bible which describes the life of christ as a boy. There are lots of scriptures that were left out because they described christ in ways that the church couldn’t understand. or they promoted things that the church couldn’t control. The final cannon was decided by the Catholic church about 1000-500 years ago based on what they believed at the time, and what they considered heresy. A lot of the time books would make it into the bible to later be taken out because someone didn’t agree… and the most recent and still accountable example of such is the difference between the catholic bible and the protestant bible. if you look at the catholic bible, it has the two books of Maccabees, whereas the protestant bible does not have these books.

Totally sucks… so how can we know what is true? how can we know the whole story? why were things left out when other things made it in?

Well, the best thing you can do is try to get ahold of all the information you can, learn it all, and if you believe in God, have him help you sort out what is important, and if you don’t… then I guess try to do it on your own.

the study of religion or lack thereof is important in understanding how civilization has evolved as a society, and I recommend that everyone studies all the religions so we can better understand eachother… or at least make better arguments… cause really it’s turtles all the way down.

There is a gap between when Jesus was 12 and when he was 33 years old, however, it is because the Gnostic gospel of Thomas was left out of the final canonization of the Bible which describes the life of christ as a boy. There are lots of scriptures that were left out because they described christ in ways that the church couldn’t understand. or they promoted things that the church couldn’t control. The final cannon was decided by the Catholic church about 1000-500 years ago based on what they believed at the time, and what they considered heresy.

so wait, you mean the church is god? cause thats how I see it printed out… this means anyone who believes in the bibles writing is automatically wrong thinking a higher being passed it down…

as for the prophets, of what I know only muslims have prophets, christians dont… and also one more thing, if everything is a collection of different authors, how did it come together? when the “holy” book was made it was very difficult and near impossible to bring scriptures together, not to mention there not being a “church” to keep those scriptures…

the torah didnt “come together” either I think…

O_o id call it the best conspiracy anyone ever made…

Being a atheist means you have no religion but it doesnt mean you reject god.

…who told you that?

ok… Christians Jews and Muslims ALL have prophets… in fact in Islam, Jesus was a prophet. The jews think Jesus was a prophet. Solomon, Moses, Daniel Jeremiah, Isaiah, and Nehimiah were all prophets (if they in fact existed… I’m not arguing whether they existed or not, I’m arguing that in the context of the beliefs of christians, and jews that they were prophets.)

And if you think that only Muslims have prophets, then seriously, you don’t know a whole lot about christianity… or the three major monotheistic religions at all.

I didn’t say the church was God, I said that the church decided what got put into the bible and what ultimately did not get put into the Bible. I didn’t say that God wrote the bible… that is a common misconseption which is just an easy way for the church to describe to children where the bible came from… and it is sad to say, but most christians never make it past sunday school. What makes more sense was that all the different authors of the different books in the bible, at least believed that they were inspired by god, or that god had a hand in the events that were happening at the time. Even the authorities that put the final cannon together believed that they were doing God’s will by editing in and out certain manuscripts.

I stated that the older stories were handed down by word of mouth… so how are you going to bring up that very same fact and basically say I’m wrong… we agree on that point, but even if they were handed down by word of mouth that doesn’t make it any less valid to a Christian who believes it. Lots of stories change, but usually the main idea gets across.

Also, the events described in some of the books of the bible directly correlate with events that actually happened in history such as Babylon taking over most of the middle east, and also the eventual fall of that empire. Which causes one to at least believe that the author of that story (whether the story is true or not) lived in that time and was concerned about the events that were taking place to at least a small degree. At the very very least, it gives some perspective about what people thought about the events that were happening in that time, and it also entwines the things they believed at that time. so we are able to understand the worldview of the people at that time. Even if the story is just a piece of literature, it can tell us those things… and that’s what I meant when I said you can use it as a historical reference.

“Im a christian and I get really mad when atheist try convincing chiristians and others that god isnt real.”

Atheists aren’t as bad a christians when it comes to convincing others. Do you see atheists going from house to house lecturing people about god? No. That is christians.

If you’ve ever seen atheists going from house to house doing that, please, let me know. I’d find that quite interesting

I’m an atheist. Christians have always been coming to my door. I’ve told them I don’t believe in any of that stuff. I try not to be rude. But, honestly, they DON’T stop. THEY try to push god on the non-believers. But, I know, not ALL of them do. But, a lot do!

Please, please do correct me if I am wrong. :)

“we agree on that point, but even if they were handed down by word of mouth that doesn’t make it any less valid to a Christian who believes it. Lots of stories change, but usually the main idea gets across.”

Given that you agree that the bible is a work of human authorship, with many omissions and mistakes, and given that you agree that the church decided which books to include - and different churches have made different decisions - what makes you think there’s any divine inspiration in the bible at all? And if there is, which of the many versions?

“Also, the events described in some of the books of the bible directly correlate with events that actually happened in history such as Babylon taking over most of the middle east, and also the eventual fall of that empire. Which causes one to at least believe that the author of that story (whether the story is true or not) lived in that time and was concerned about the events that were taking place to at least a small degree.”

Apart from the fact that the authors could have used the same historical accounts we rely on to fabricate what they wrote, how does that lend any credence to the other, unverifiable, supernatural claims the bible makes?

Which causes one to at least believe that the author of that story (whether the story is true or not) lived in that time and was concerned about the events that were taking place to at least a small degree.

The Epic of Gilgamesh, the Iliad and Odyssey, and the story of Robin Hood also contain references to actual historical events and people. However, the stories themselves are myths and legends. They are “time pieces”, insights into the mindset and culture in which they were written. But they are not substantially valuable sources of historical information.

Even the authorities that put the final cannon together believed that they were doing God’s will by editing in and out certain manuscripts.

They also had agendas. At that time, there were already many doctrinal splits within Christianity, and most of the men at the Councils of Hippo and Carthage only had local authority within their synods. Different gospels and manuscripts had been circulating among different communities, and there was sharp disagreement at Carthage and Hippo about which books to include in the Bible. And keep in mind that centuries later, the Protestant factions that split from the Catholic church would revise the Bible even further. The canonization of the Bible has been a political process from Day 1. It’s impossible to say the process had divine guidance.

Given that you agree that the bible is a work of human authorship, with many omissions and mistakes, and given that you agree that the church decided which books to include - and different churches have made different decisions - what makes you think there’s any divine inspiration in the bible at all? And if there is, which of the many versions?

OK, first of all I would like to say that I’m not trying to push my beliefs on anyone. I’m just trying to take what Christians believe in the contexts of how they believe it.. I’m not saying these things are true or not, but I am sort of trying to validate them the way a christian would validate them because That’s really what they think… to them it is reality.

Personally (to answer your statement I copied above) I am really appreciative of the fact that a lot of the manuscripts that didn’t make it into the Bible, are still accessible in libraries and on the internet and stuff… I personally believe that you can’t believe in anything without finding out all you can about it and making a judgment call. So I think sure, there are probably a bunch of manuscripts that were written by wackos, and a bunch of them that might have some evidence of truth in them, but who am I to make the decision on what is true or not right? so I have to try and read all that I can to see what makes sense… I”ve studied a lot of different religions both in practice and in a school setting, and independant christianity just makes sense to me… I try to answer questions to the best of my ability, and I try not to push my beliefs on anyone.

That said… from a protestant christian perspective, the bible has been written in our own language so that we can study it on our own and make our own decisions about it. What stories might speak to you might not speak to me. and I use the Bible as a guideline for morality towards my fellow people, and not as an end all rule book.

SO I guess the answer to your question would be. I’m not God, so I don’t know. I can only make the decision for myself, but I think that everyone should read the bible because it might help them see things from a different perspective. If you want to find out what is divine, and what isn’t. Read it all, and if there is a God, then he will help you discern what is real. If there isn’t a god… well then hopefully it was a good read, and hopefully you learned something anyway. There’s a lot of good things in the bible even if the stories aren’t true at all.

“Apart from the fact that the authors could have used the same historical accounts we rely on to fabricate what they wrote, how does that lend any credence to the other, unverifiable, supernatural claims the bible makes?”

As for the supernatural things in the Bible that are basically unverifiable… if you study philosophy then really nothing is verifiable. Like the things that you absolutely know to be completely true are really only true in the logical universe. But if there is something else out there that created the logical universe, then it wouldn’t be constrained by the rules of the logical universe.

For instance, if God made the universe and everything in it and all the rules of science that exist inside it, then he can see fir to change the rules whenever he wants, so the rules don’t pertain to him. Therefore if you can’t make something out of nothing in the realm of logic, and if god doesn’t have to listen to those rules, then god is able to make something out of nothing.

that explanation might be kinda out there.

But basically it means that supernatural accounts are just as un-proven as they are proven, so you can’t say that they aren’t real because maybe you have just never encountered a supernatural event. You also can’t say that they ARE real unless you’ve experienced one for yourself.

People have been trying to figure out what created everything since the beginning of time. I mean they used to think the world was on top of a turtle’s back, but what holds up that turtle? another turtle? and that turtle? another turtle? It’s turtles all the way down… what created the universe? the big bang? well who put that matter there? God? who put God there? another God? in the argument of creation, it is impossible to determine an absolute first. so it is left up to each person to decide for themselves if it was a supernatural being, or if it is all just by chance, or some other creation story.

even the most ridiculous claim might have some little sliver of truth, so that is why it is important to learn everything you can learn.

so I think I’ve trailed off quite a bit… so back to the question at hand… A christian has faith which for them verifies their beliefs. To them, it is reality, and for them, that is enough proof. They’re basically saying… well I’m going to believe, and if I’m wrong… then it never mattered, so who cares, but if I’m right then YAY AFTERLIFE!

The Epic of Gilgamesh, the Iliad and Odyssey, and the story of Robin Hood also contain references to actual historical events and people. However, the stories themselves are myths and legends. They are “time pieces”, insights into the mindset and culture in which they were written. But they are not substantially valuable sources of historical information.

again I’m not trying to prove that the stories in the bible are actually valid, I’m only trying to say that to a Christian, they are because they have faith. Nevertheless, even if the stories aren’t true, they have lessons in them that can help people through life, if they feel like they need it.

I actually just moved, so I still don’t have all my notes and books unpacked, I am just trying to answer these questions from memory, and if I can’t answer your questions, and you really want them answered, I encourage you to find someone who does know the answer, or try to find it with your own research. I don’t know everything, I’m only human. But I value the persuit of knowledge, and think everyone should (not to be pushing that belief on you.. I mean you don’t have to try and find the truth if you don’t want to… if you don’t care then fine… if you think you’ve already found it and don’t want to research anymore.. fine… but can you really say you know the truth unless you’ve read absolutely everything about the topic? My religious beliefs are constantly changing as per new data.

And with that rant aside… (wow I’ve been really traily lately… it might be close to bedtime. Sorry for any past and undoubtedly future trailing that I will probably… more than likely write)

“They also had agendas. At that time, there were already many doctrinal splits within Christianity, and most of the men at the Councils of Hippo and Carthage only had local authority within their synods. Different gospels and manuscripts had been circulating among different communities, and there was sharp disagreement at Carthage and Hippo about which books to include in the Bible. And keep in mind that centuries later, the Protestant factions that split from the Catholic church would revise the Bible even further. The canonization of the Bible has been a political process from Day 1. It’s impossible to say the process had divine guidance.”

I was trying to say that they BELIEVED that they had divine guidance… I mean at that time period, the church was under the impression that since the church was the voice of God, that they could say whatever they wanted and that meant that it’s what God really wanted to say.

That’s why it would be important for any person serious about studying christianity, and especially the ones who intend to BELIEVE it as TRUTH to find all the manuscripts they can and read them. And IF God is real, then he will help you make the right decisions, and filter out the crap, and IF God isn’t real, then hopefully it was a good expierence, and maybe it will all help you understand your fellow humans if anything at all.

Honestly I think there IS something wrong with not wanting to try your hardest to test every possibility in the persuit of Truth. Whatever Truth happens to be. (but that’s just my belief… I mean if you just want to believe it’s all conspiracy… then fine… don’t even try to better yourself as a person by learning new things. When we stop learning, I think we start to die as a society. Humans have to be open to new ideas. That’s why churches fade away… they get so stuck in their ways that they end up judging eachother and judging themselves… when they stop being open to new ideas they die off.

Oh and someone said something about “I’m an athiest and I hate it when christians come to the door.. etc”

I”m a christian and I hate it when they come to the door too… Also those are only Mormons and Jehova’s witnesses… even the majority of Christians think those guys are wackos… GO away Elder Young! I’m trying to eat dinner!

I’d never go door to door to push my religion on people… but I do like to try and answer valid questions to the best of my ability when people come to me and ask.

I mean the message is usually a good message, but the delivery of the message is like trying to send expensive porcelain through Fedex…stuff like this has to be handled gently or else it’s not going to be received.

Nevertheless, even if the stories aren’t true, they have lessons in them that can help people through life, if they feel like they need it.

There are valuable moral lessons in the Bible. Thomas Jefferson tried to distinguish those lessons from the mythology and superstition that pervade much of the book. The problem is that these stories are often taught and accepted as historical or scientific fact. Teaching the Bible in this way discourages critical thinking, because it relies on unquestioning faith and acceptance. Doubt and skepticism are seen as bad things by many Christians.

Most of the Bible is allegory and symbolism, which even many of its authors and ancient audiences understood.

My religious beliefs are constantly changing as per new data.

If that’s the case, I commend you. However, very few religious people have similar habits.

I was trying to say that they BELIEVED that they had divine guidance

Possibly. Nobody knows for certain. Some early Christians deliberately altered historical documents to support their positions. I believe many had wordly intentions.

I can agree with other parts of your post. There are many different forms of Christianity, some of which accomodate indepdendent learning. But organized religion as a whole (not just Christianity) tends to stifle anything that challenges traditional claims and dogma. Religion and spirituality are very much personal matters, which the American founding fathers believed. When they are institutionalized in society, they become something very different…and in my view, very bad.

You are exactly right. I am a christian and saved by Jesus Christ. He is the only way! I believe the exact way you do, but no matter what everyone will not be saved. As christians, we need to tell people about Jesus and God, but it is up to that person to choose to believe it. No matter what do not let anyone change what you believe in. You know in your heart that it is right and so do I.

The Earth formed itself due to the gravitational pull of the sun and from the disk of debris that revolved around it after it’s formation. The Earth continued to alter over the course of millions of years.

Life evolved from simple organisms that developed on Earth during the earlier conditions. Humans evolved from earlier creatures, and are made by DNA that was created by evolution.

Humans developed speech, were smart enough to use it, as it was advantagoues to them. Later, languages were created by humans. Language is learned and easiest to learn when exposed to it young.

Not that difficult to understand.

I’m going to have to agree with jester_x and jazlovestoskate here too. Anyone can share their opinion under the topic, is that convincing people Christianity is wrong? If I am it’s definitely because Christians started it, and because they push their views on others and in unrelated topics.

Besides why wouldn’t a nonbeliever think Christianity is bullsh-t when the Bible condemns against them? Like telling them that nothing good comes from them, that they are immoral, have “hardened hearts”, that they’re blind and deaf to the truth, are decieved by Satan, and are going to hell and other bullsh-t.

Ok to the person that started this post. It is apparent that you did no research before you asked the question. Then you intentional insult others and swear you didn’t yet get offended your self. You keep contradicting yourself. It would seem you asked this to start an argument and to shove your own beliefs at us. This is a religious forum. There are many different religions including non theist or atheist (not that that’s a religion but rather a logical way of thinking). So way would you think you would not have opposing views?

As for the bible. There is no proof that validates the bible to the point of historical use. The bible is a collection of manuscript that was finally put together about 1500 years ago. Since then the bible has been mistranslated, taken from, added to, use I’m biased and changed into countless “versions” almost, if not, all the OT and most of the NT was first word of mouth. We know that stories told in this way have a way of getting distorted. Several of the NT gospels weren’t even written by that apposal.

1. no, I dont respect any religion I respect that people have the right to choose whatever they want to beleive in but I dont respect any religion because I dont agree with it or anything it teaches christianity is the main one I dont respect however, I respect that PEOPLE have the choice to choose what they beleive in …things wrong with your question” 2. “ Im a christian and I get really mad when atheist try convincing chiristians and others that god isnt real”…christians are the main people who go around telling everyone else that there god is the only thing thats freater than us, and we should all beleive in him athiests very rarely do that, were not out on the street desperatly tryiing to convert people 3 “Being a atheist means you have no religion but it doesnt mean you reject god.” yes it does AGNOSTIC people are undecided, and dont rule any ‘god” out athiests DONT beleive in god, they rule him out completely 4. “People keep saying god isnt real and he doesnt exist but how would you know” its not like you or any other religiouse person can prove hes real either
2. “faith” doesnt make something real 6. “If there is no god then tell me who made the earth, ect” science will teach you that, as will reading about evolution, that occurs when things evolve to adapt to there surrounding and changing enviroment. things dont just “POOF” out of nowere 7 “I think all atheist need to re think this if they still refuse fine but dont tell christians and catholics that what we believe in is bull sht. I find that disrepectful and rude” from what you say next clearly states that you couldnt care less if we dont beleive in god, and we find it just as shthouse when cristians force religion down our throats 8 “Anyway how does it hurt to believe in something if your not sure whats gonna happen?” and will it hurt YOU to stop beleiveing in god, stop beleiving in faith, stop beleiving that everything as made by god…will that hurt you?…probably if I FORCED you to beleive in nothing, just because I dont beleive in anything…will that make you happy…no, that will hurt you, and your feelings, emotions, ect just like it would hurt and make any athiest absolutly mad when you say that… because its just like saying “I dont care if you dont beleive in anything, but you should, it wont hurt you, you might go to heaven, even though it has nothing to do with what you beleive in, just do it, because I think its right” its like your saying THAT 9 “But me im taking a chance and believeing in god because he’s kepty me alive and I believe in him that he will be waiting for me in paradise.” right there your trying to make athiests feel bad about beleiving in nothing, saying that you will go to haven…meaning that if we dont beleive in him, well go to hell 10 “Any opnions welcome. “ thats what I gave you, dont like it, dont listen
3. I dont love your “god” I dont beleive in him but if you or anyone wants to sh*t all over my beleives, ill defend them because I dont take crap im sure youll do the same if someone shat all over your beleifs as well

All the people who answered this, I am sorry if I seemed rude in anyway. I wasnt expecting questions I only wanted opnions. I wasnt try to convert anyone or start a fight, I just wanted to know what other people thought. I did know that atheists did reject god, I wasnt really thinking at the time I was typing this. I do not support all religions but I do not shun them either. Im a respectful person and im kind. I really did not mean to make anyone feel that I was trying to convert them.

Thnx for all opnions. =3. God loves all.

“I did know that atheists did reject god”

Atheists reject god in the same way that you reject Zeus, fairies, or leprechauns.

People started different religions cause they didn’t like the original one, Christianity, the one Jesus brought to us.

That has to be the most idiotic statement so far…

That has to be the most idiotic statement so far…

Captainassassin-Actual based on history he is correct, we studied religions in history class, Most religions were started because they did not like the original one, and it was christianity, but it was also jewdism as well. Jesus it the god of many religions but each religion worships him in slightly different ways.For example their are three Christian religions, Christian,Catholic, and Eastern Orthodox(might be catholic Orthodox not sure). They all originated from christianity. Buddism was also a religion that was created by a man (forgot his name) who did not like every thing about christianity, so he started his own religion. Same with the Hindu religion. He’s pretty much correct, if hes going by what history says.

Good grief…

bonitagymnast14, is this actually what you’re learning in history class? First of all, as captainassassin said, Christianity is preceded by, and influenced by, several pagan religious traditions.

Also, Buddhism, pre-dates Christianity by six centuries. Did you know there were Buddhist missionaries in Greece at least 250 years before the supposed birth of Jesus? So obviously, Siddhartha Gautama’s reasons for founding his philosophy had nothing to do with Jesus. And where in the world do you get the idea that Hindus worship Jesus in “their own way”, much less that Hinduism came from Christianity?

Jesus it the god of many religions but each religion worships him in slightly different ways.

And NO… he is NOT the god of many religions. You are confusing ‘religions’ with ‘denominations’ …and the fact the Christianity HAS so many denominations (over 30,000) is a testament (pun intended) to just how vague the religious doctrines IN the Bible truly are.

I suppose you can consider it a side-effect of ripping-off so many other religions…

I dont even remember, it was in the beginning on the year. All I know is I got an A+ on the test. You probably are right but im going but what I remember.

Captainassassin-Actual based on history he is correct He’s pretty much correct, if hes going by what history says.

No… he ISN’T…

And your information is wrong. Judaism was around LONG before Jesus was even born (1,400 BCE). You’re also wrong about Hinduism, it too pre-dates Christ (1,500 BCE). With that said, you only mentioned 4 of the 5 current major (a.k.a. ORGANIZED) world religions, all of which are still fairly young. Their are numerous ‘pagan’ religions, that also pre-date Christianity, AND these same pagan religions are where Christianity derived many of its practices, rituals, and symbolism, from.

Either you weren’t paying attention in history class, or your teacher should be fired.

It means…

If you got an A+ using the information you’ve provided to us, that means your teacher is LYING to you.

Oh definitely dude.. I’m kinda on the fence about organized religion. I think it’s a good thing that there are places where like minded people can gather and make friends and discuss their beliefs and grow as a community… but on the other hand, when that happens they start to get into habits, and they start to blindly justify their beliefs. And then eventually what started as a good thing, becomes something very different than what it was meant to be in the first place. I stopped going to church several years ago (I still go sometimes to see my friends, and to get a random lesson but I don’t go “religiously” like I used to) because after I got to really know some of the people there, they all had the wrong idea… I agreed with the pastor of the church, who was always a very open minded man and on what he was teaching. (he would often teach the same story in several ways.. .sometimes very literal, and sometimes symbolically… sometimes he would relate it to life… always a message of god’s love and mercy, and that anyone can be saved and if they’re not then they can still be a good person.) but somehow the people in the church still had the wrong idea. they would talk crap about other denominations… convinced that everyone else was going to hell, and it was probably all because they were mostly really old and had brought these ideas with them from somewhere else.

Also, I think the organized church has a really hard time teaching good ways to witness to people. (witnessing is considered a commandment from God in the book of Acts… which makes Christianity a recruiter religion… that’s why they try so hard to recruit… it’s part of their belief system.) Usually teenagers who actually muster up the courage to witness to their friends come off as judgmental. they never have good arguments. Most of them don’t even know why they believe half the things they believe, and their attempt comes off as weak and illogical.

Why can’t the church teach that to actually push religion on people is wrong because you just can’t change someone’s belief system overnight. People have to decide to change on their own, and if you are setting a bad example, you are giving them no reason to want to join you.

There are other ways to witness… it’s easy to make known that you are a Christian… for example, you can wear a cross, or a wwjd bracelet, you can pray over your lunch. And if you make it known that you are a Christian, and you also lead a generally good life, that’s enough to get people to come to you with an open mind and ask you some questions.

Then you can’t just expect them to be saved like magic. You were able to plant a seed just by the way you actually represented what you claim to be. And if that makes people curious, then maybe they’ll go to church or something, and if it’s right for them, it will change them. You can seriously change more people more permanently in this way than if you show up to school and tell everyone they’re going to hell.

And then you have the door to door witnessers (mormons) who come off as really pushy whether you happen to be Christian or not. Because even if you are a Christian and one comes to your door, they still try to convert you to their denomination because of the people in their church acting as described above and thinking that they are the only right way to believe.

I mean if the Bible teaches that a house divided against itself cannot stand, then why are the different churches fighting eachother when they should just let eachother coexist as a different path to God? I mean, they all have the most important message correct, which is that the only way to Heaven is through accepting Christ.

Not only that, but seriously… sitting through a sermon really sucks. God is so awesome, there has got to be a much better way of getting the message across. Sure, the church does good works with the money you donate, but it is all so detached. Churches should help the community more as a group (some churches do, but seriously most don’t).

I mean the whole world wants the same thing in general. We all want happiness and peace for our families. We should all be more open to listen to other people’s points of views instead of just shoving Bibles in people’s hands and blindly sending them out to scare people away.