If we evolved from apes, why are there still apes?

Man didn’t evolve from apes. It all started with Chuck Norris.

pinksand thinks his picture of God creating everything in its more-or-less present form is simple. It is not my field but I read somewhere that there are millions of different species of just bugs, let alone everything else. Why would God bother doing that when all that was needed, much simpler, would be to create one object, so small that it would easily fit under your fingernail, and give it potential. That happened about 13 or 14 billion years ago. In the time that has elapsed it is not difficult to imagine enough growth and change to account for us, and apes, and everything else, given a bit of luck. It is known what the universe looked like one nanosecond after creation; perhaps God knows what it was like before that. But in that nanosecond all the material needed to make life were created.

You know, equuswhisperer, you really shouldn’t joke about these things. There might be people who believe you, and that would be very sad.

we did not come from apes!!! the evolutionary theory is a bunch of crap. the only reason people believe it today is because if they do, they will not have to answer to God, or so they think. do some research. you will find and abundance of factual information that proves the ‘ape-man’ theory wrong in every way.

negrofosho is close to the edge of it. when these apes moved into a warmer climate they were able to function less well. And any ape that was born with less hair, through some genetic mutation, was better able to survive and had more chance of passing on the mutation. A very slow process but sure.

may I ask if evolution didnt exist how comes an orangutang is 1 chromosome differnt from a human which is 98 % human?

it’s impressive to see how many iliterate americans are there around, wait, they elected bush. now it’s clear: illiterate americans elected an illiterate president.

I’ve read many times ‘ape to man’ - makes me wonder why today, you have an ape and a man….no in-between !….guess we stopped somehow :-)

yes, we evolved from a common ancestor and adapted to the enviorment, when “apes” moved into a warmer climates they reduced the amount of hair

I’m not quite clear what you are saying here, but men and women have exactly the same number of ribs. This was found out by counting, instead of blindly believing what was written.

We did not evolve from apes. That is a common misconception. Scientists believe that human and apes have a common ancestor. That ancestor has been extinct for millions of years. The theory is that some members of the common ancestor migrated to one region while other members migrated to another region. Based on different climatic and environmental factors one group evolves into apes and the other into humans. This is a very simplified explanation but the main thing to understand is that humans did not evolve from apes. Apes and humans evolved from a common ancestor.

Every man’s formation is in turn miniature of human evolution. You watch a human’s creation and growth from fertilization to his/her adulthood, each and every step will represent 1000s of years in human evolution. it is that simple. single cell organism, multi-cell, small tiny fish, invertebrate, and so on!!! And the way embryos of so many species so closely match in the earlier stages of gestation reveals that we all had common ancestors. Your quetsion is NOT a bad question. Fear of God is the beginning of knowledge. The story of creation is for people who will be satisfied with that. And the ones who can see through the real meaning of the story will read a lot in between the lines. keep seeking . ..

The point about being human is that we do not have to think things out from the beginning, or each generation would have to invent the wheel. Newton said in a letter to Hooke, ‘If I have seen further it is by standing on ye shoulders of Giants’. Thus each generation of human beings is able to see a little further into Life, the Universe, and Everything (and the answer is not 42, regardless of what Deep Thought said.)

In a way I suppose you could say that is evolution for us, because it is driven by us. Evolution for all other species is driven by chance. Now think about that!

“funny how we dont find very old fossils of apes or apes evolving, besides I dont believe in that science crap god made us and thats that.”

You know, I like that. I don’y believe in that science crap is a great argument for the existence of god. I guess along with not beleiving in science crap you don’t beleive in propper punctuation in your writing either?

Is there a god was not the question. Is evolution real, was not the question. The question was a very simple one and it has been anwsered. We did not evolve from apes, we evolved from a common ancester; end of story.

Reading some of these posts I find more and more that no one looks at anything objectively any more and simply play devils advocate and come to a reasonable anwser with out insulting another persons beleif. Now as to the above post of jj101 I was not saying his beleif is wrong in any way. I’m saying it is a very ignorant way to arguing your point.

Saying God did it and thats that doesn’t begin to explain anything. And that is the real problem with most fundamentalist thought. God did it so there doesn’t have to be a reason on why it works or why we are the way we are. Thats it, doesn’t tell me how we get cancer. It doesn’t help us cure aids, or why some suns when they die create a neutron star and some a massive black-hole. Some one can prove “A” god, any god truly exists tomorrow and it won’t help a little kid understand why a bird can fly and he can’t will it?

I believe that God created this world and everything in it. The “theory” of evolution (called thus because it cannot be proven) is a lie from Satan. People today are offended by the name of Jesus (the “J word” as they call it), and use the “theory” of evolution to explain their existance without acknowledging God or the other two members of the Trinity. I just completed a very detailed study of Darwin’s theory of evolution in my college Biology class last week, and completely understand the concept. It is true that we share common characteristics, but that is because we are made by the same Maker, God. If you want to think about it this way: A Chevy Camaro and a Pontiac Firebird were known as “sister cars” because they were alike. One was a Chevy brand, and one was a Pontiac brand, but they were both made by the same maker: GMC. Just like humans and apes, we are two TOTALLY different things, but made by the same maker; therefore, we have similar traits, but are not the same. Humans DID NOT evolve from apes. I also find it rather interesting that humans are the ONLY living beings with the power to reason. IF, IF evolution were possible, why is it that other species have not also developed this trait? Just something to think about… God bless!

There are still apes because we DID NOT evolve from them. We did not evolve period! Evolution is just a theory created by one man! If evolution is true, why then do we not see animals or even humans alike, in some sort of transitional phase of evolution ie, changing from one form to another? For example, a Jackel is a scavenger, it must rely on finding food rather than hunting it because it is too small by itself to prey on most animals in it’s own NATURAL environment. Why then, if evolution is true, has the Jackel not evolved over time into a bigger, faster & stronger predator more suitable to hunting its own prey? Or even crocodiles, why does a creature that spends most of its life underwater not evolve gills that would allow it to breath underwater instead of having to come up for air every few hours? And as for us, supposedly man and ape evolved together from the same ancestrial being millions of years ago but, somehow man was the only creature of the two to develop a brain capable of rapid learning and understanding? Why have the apes, (who are apparently so closely related to us) in the same evolutionary time frame as man, not been able to evolve the same amount of interlect to advance their species into a super species like human beings?

Practically all known mutant genes are harmful. Now, mutations are a necessary part of the process of evolution, so how then can a good effect - evolution to higher forms of life - result from mutations practically all of which are harmful? Also according to the theory of evolution, every living species has sprung from a predecessor. Small, gradual changes over millions of years have transformed previously existing species into new ones.

If this is true, then countless intermediary species must have lived and left behind their fossils right? In fact, the number of fossils of intermediary species should be greater than that of remains of present species of animals. For instance, many half-fish/half-reptile or half-ape/half-human fossils should have been found, yet, more than 140 years of searching has not even revealed ONE transitional species! In contrast to evolutionists’ claims, life has always appeared suddenly and fully formed in the fossil record.

Therefore in my understanding, evolution cannot be true else mankind would have evolved wings or somthing else as drastic over the last few million years (and thats only IF we’ve been here for that long) to improve our chances of survival like any other species on Earth.

I didn’t mean that God created everything in it’s “more-or-less present form” as being simple… or that he created it this way in the beginning. I just meant that the ancestor of the human was different than the ancestor of the ape (and that THAT was the simple part). And I believe that God created so many different species of bugs, and well, everything, because He can. Just imagine what you would create just because you could. It would be so amazing! People always want a huge explanation… but I still believe that the answer IS simple.. He did it all because HE CAN ^_^. It’s the same as an artist… for example… if he paints a daisy purple with a blue stem, you don’t ask why because everybody knows that he made it special, his own, he’s proud of it because it’s different and it represents how he sees the flower, not how the world sees it.

Oh, and I do agree with you, fleapit, that all the material needed to make life was created in that nanosecond. It’s just my opinion that God is the one who put it all in motion. I believe in the “Big Bang” theory… but again, I believe that God is the one who made it go Bang.

Fiestychic30… I think that maybe the “missing link” is just that piece of DNA that God left out to make us a completely different species than the ape. I mean, we ARE similar to a lot of different animals, but it’s very obvious that we’re not a pig or a rat, or that we even came from a common ancestor with them. If our organs and such work so well with us, then it makes sense to use them on other species.

This IS all just my opinion which I firmly believe in. I’m not against anybody else’s beliefs in this, but I really felt that people could benefit from what I’m saying. If somebody decides that they like what I said, then I’m happy, but if not, that’s ok too. I hope you all have a wonderful day ^_^.

Haha…Now I would have to wonder why an ape would have to become a human to adapt to a new environment. Would this new environment be an upscale country club where membership is only given to sophisticated chaps? Who would sign the bill for the afternoon cocktails, some dumb ape? My Second favorite idiotic answer is when someone answers the question with a question such as this; “If my grandparents emigrated from Europe, why are Europeans still around?” My rebuttal to that would be another question. Aren’t you and your European ancestors both humans and therefore from the same species? Apes and humans are different species!!! Ahh!!! Show me the intermediary fossils of anything transitioning into any other species. There should be millions of examples being dug up around the world. Instead we have a few questionable things such as the tooth of a pig or a monkey named Lucy. Please…show me something more than 8 possible hoaxes that carry very little weight. As I said, there should be millions of fossils everywhere. You call this science? Ha! How would the several interdependant subsystems within an eye evolve to form a working eye system? Why would one subsystem wait for the next? How would the whole system know to connect to the brain after it evolves? How would it know how to create sight and what sight even is? How would it know where to connect to the brain? You need more faith to believe in evolution. It’s a religion theory with holes and missing links designed for those who want dominion over there own lives so as not to be detered from there behavioral preferences. Try studying Creation Science, Divine Creation, or Intelligent Design for a change. It’s actually more scientific. God wants you to seek and love the truth. He doesn’t expect blind faith. May God’s love guide you on your search and on your understanding of the truth.
Cheers

Is it really such a demeaning thought that man evolved from animal? I mean, just on the basis of what’s in plain sight, we function very similarly to animals. We are fuelled by our blood, which carries oxygen to the various organs of our bodies, just like animals. We all eat and drink, and digest, and excrete our waste, just like animals. We breathe air, we have sex, we reproduce, we are born, we die… Very little different between man and animal on a simple, survivalist basis. If you wish to believe in our immortal souls as humans, then that very well may be something that humans have that animals do not. Many also claim humans have a sentience that animals do not. This all has to do with the mechanisms of the mind, or the spirit. But ultimately, the human body, the shell that contains this divine aspect of humanity, is undeniably animal in nature. After all, without spirit, and without complex minds, what could the human body achieve that some other animal can not?

If you really want to delve into it, even deeper than behavioral and genetic similarities, everything (and I do mean EVERYTHING) is made up of the same things. Atoms. Sub-atomic particles. And, ultimately, energy. As Einstein’s relativity equation informs us, anything that has mass has energy. Energy is thus the stuff of existence. Without energy, there is nothing. And not only that, energy is absolutely everywhere, and in everything. Sounds a little bit like the idea of an omni-present God, no?

So, we are made of the same stuff as animals, on both the atomic and the genetic level. So why is it such a bad thing to suggest that man is an animal at heart? (animals have hearts, too ;-) )

Just some thoughts based on what I have read so far…

We didn’t evolve from animals. We are animals. So are apes. You can’t argue with a creationist, because their arguments are circular and invalid to begin with.
We are not destroying the planet. We are changing it, though possibly to our detriment. It is the height of human arrogance to think that we are capable of destroying an entity that has existed for an unimaginable amount of time.

evolution makes no sense, I dont believe it.

Haha…Now I would have to wonder why an ape would have to become a human to adapt to a new environment. Would this new environment be an upscale country club where membership is only given to sophisticated chaps? Who would sign the bill for the afternoon cocktails, some dumb ape? My Second favorite idiotic answer is when someone answers the question with a question such as this; “If my grandparents emigrated from Europe, why are Europeans still around?” My rebuttal to that would be another question. Aren’t you and your European ancestors both humans and therefore from the same species? Apes and humans are different species!!! Ahh!!! Show me the intermediary fossils of anything transitioning into any other species. There should be millions of examples being dug up around the world. Instead we have a few questionable things such as the tooth of a pig or a monkey named Lucy. Please…show me something more than 8 possible hoaxes that carry very little weight. As I said, there should be millions of fossils everywhere. You call this science? Ha! How would the several interdependant subsystems within an eye evolve to form a working eye system? Why would one subsystem wait for the next? How would the whole system know to connect to the brain after it evolves? How would it know how to create sight and what sight even is? How would it know where to connect to the brain? You need more faith to believe in evolution. It’s a religion theory with holes and missing links designed for those who want dominion over there own lives so as not to be detered from there behavioral preferences. Try studying Creation Science, Divine Creation, or Intelligent Design for a change. It’s actually more scientific. God wants you to seek and love the truth. He doesn’t expect blind faith. May God’s love guide you on your search and on your understanding of the truth.
Cheers

We did not evolve from apes. That is a common misconception. Scientists believe that human and apes have a common ancestor. That ancestor has been extinct for millions of years. The theory is that some members of the common ancestor migrated to one region while other members migrated to another region. Based on different climatic and environmental factors one group evolves into apes and the other into humans. This is a very simplified explanation but the main thing to understand is that humans did not evolve from apes. Apes and humans evolved from a common ancestor.

Evolution is actually a very easy thing to understand. It is simply the premise that those creatures that are most able to survive are going to have more children, and thus pass on the successful traits to the next generation. Over long periods of time, the most successful combination of traits is going to be prevalent in that species. That is simply common sense to anyone who has a basic knowledge of how genetics works.

The thing that is often hard to come to terms with is, evolution is an ongoing process. It is constantly happening, though it is extremely difficult to observe in creatures with long life spans. This is why, in research, scientists often use fruit flies, or various strains of bacteria - because the life cycle for many of these is days, sometimes even hours, which makes the passing on of traits much more observable.

When it comes to the common ancestor between man and primate, this has been evaluated based upon the make-up of our genome, and that of various primates, and the similarities between the two. It has even recently come out that scientists believe that apes may be more evolved than man. Many erroniously thought this meant that apes are more advanced. What it actually means is that apes have drifted farther from the common ancestor than humans.

When it comes to the argument of evolution versus creationism, I often have to wonder. It seems to me that I give God more credit than the Creationists. I believe that God was so clever, and ultimately wise, He created living beings that had the ability to adapt to their changing environments. Basically, He made it so that life could continue to thrive through ages and ages and ages.

To quote another scientist, albeit a physicist, Stephen Hawking was once asked if he studied science to disprove God. He responded along the lines of, “I study science to understand how God works.”

Natural selection is such an obvious thing. And also, it can really affect us pretty fast! Now 50 years ago, Americans were taller than Europeans, now that has changed because of our diets.

My favorite science fiction writer (Larry Niven), postulates that humans have stopped evolving because we learned how to build tools and shape our environment, instead of our environment shaping us.

If you look at the various animal species across the world, the environment and breeding clearly shaped them. We’re clearly related to animals. We generally have similar kinds of blood, bone, internal organs, brains, eyes, noses and mouth, penises and vaginas. Clearly life on this planet is very related. Our chromosomes sets are so similar its downright scary.

Catch a fish out of the ocean, and open it up. Red blood flows, it has a heart, liver lungs, blood vessels. Open up a pig (yes, a pig), pig organs are some of the closest to ours in terms of size and type. So close in fact that some surgeries use parts of pigs. Before you roast that next chicken, look at the internals… small intestines, large intestines, gall bladder… birds have evolved a gizzard to deal with crushing seeds. Fish have gills to extract oxygen from the air.

Interbreed dogs. In a few years you’ll have horribly deformed dogs. Interbreed humans. Same thing in a few generations.

So if you ask yourself questions like these, and look at the evidence, its clear that the story of creation as told by the Judeo-Christian bible can’t make much sense. I guess that’s why I’m an agnostic. Maybe the only reason I’m not an atheist is because there is a possibility that a god exists.

I was talking to someone recently who tried to convert me and I told him I was agnostic, and then it hit me then and there… Faith in the belief of god is not incompatible with turning away your eyes and understanding of the natural sciences of the earth.

Blind faith (fundamentalism), whether it be faith in a spiritual being, or a principle, or a plan – is absolutely dangerous, because then, you refuse to open your mind to the possibilities out there that await us and thus alter your thinking as circumstances change. You don’t go driving down the road and say that you’ll never adjust the steering even if the road is straight from horizon to horizon. An animal or person could cross the road in front of you and you either confront the change, or continue blindly into oblivion.

Most people instinctively know that. Which is why none of those men that put up their hands to the question “do you believe in evolution?” will ever become president of these United States.

in the BIBLE it said GOD created humans, and the humans were not apes because GOD knows all and evolution is not real uve got to understand that science can b intresting but it is mostly full of lies not all of it is lies it is just most of it is SORRY,but its true!

THAT BACAUSE THEYRE STILL EVOLVI NG LOLZ GOSH SOME people!LOL

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MAN DID NOT EVOLVE FROM THE APES,BUT HAS ALWAYS BEEN

wow, thats a good question.. lol

Bad to be asking ? - Heavens no !….the responses speak volumes……..

wow… there certainly are a lot of different opinions! I believe that there are still apes because they’re just a different species… simple as that. We didn’t evolve from apes either though. I believe that God created EVERYTHING… doesn’t mean that humans didn’t evolve. Adam and Eve were the first, but it’s very possible that they were “ape-like”, but not apes. I also believe that apes were their very own species right from the beginning. Of course they’ve adapted and changed over generations… everything does. It’s just the way that God created things. I don’t see why that’s so hard to understand or for people to figure out. Why does it have to be that their is one common ancestor for the two species? It makes more sense to me that both species had their very own ancestor. If you don’t believe in God, that’s something you can discern on your own and for yourself. I don’t think that you have to be a Creationist to believe what I just said. Even if I didn’t believe in God it’d still make sense, and it’s simple. That’s always the best. Oh, and to point out something about the rib thing I read earlier… yes, man and woman both have the same number of ribs, and yes, God took a rib from Adam to create Eve… when Adam and Eve made babies the boys had the same number of ribs that Adam had when he was Created, not what he had After Eve was created. What Adam had was basically just a surgery. Just like if you donate your kidney to help someone else live, your children aren’t going to be born with one less kidney just because you do. Make sense? I think so ^_^.

wow… there certainly are a lot of different opinions! I believe that there are still apes because they’re just a different species… simple as that. We didn’t evolve from apes either though. I believe that God created EVERYTHING… doesn’t mean that humans didn’t evolve. Adam and Eve were the first, but it’s very possible that they were “ape-like”, but not apes. I also believe that apes were their very own species right from the beginning. Of course they’ve adapted and changed over generations… everything does. It’s just the way that God created things. I don’t see why that’s so hard to understand or for people to figure out. Why does it have to be that their is one common ancestor for the two species? It makes more sense to me that both species had their very own ancestor. If you don’t believe in God, that’s something you can discern on your own and for yourself. I don’t think that you have to be a Creationist to believe what I just said. Even if I didn’t believe in God it’d still make sense, and it’s simple. That’s always the best. Oh, and to point out something about the rib thing I read earlier… yes, man and woman both have the same number of ribs, and yes, God took a rib from Adam to create Eve… when Adam and Eve made babies the boys had the same number of ribs that Adam had when he was Created, not what he had After Eve was created. What Adam had was basically just a surgery. Just like if you donate your kidney to help someone else live, your children aren’t going to be born with one less kidney just because you do. Make sense? I think so ^_^.

I must say that reason is misplaced among most of the theories here. Why would an animal grow its neck longer cause of lack of food on the ground and yet others have still short necks. shouldn’t they have done the same? Or how can an animal become smaller by being eaten? Another one I heard of. If an animal is eaten it doesn’t become anything more then food. There is no offspring born in the stomach of the Predator. doesn’t make sense. But according to you that Faith is blind? But what about the fact you have closed your mind and haven’t open it up either? Maybe its blind just to believe anything? That we should all stop? This is not pointed to relegion, just that usualy its attacked and the people are called dumb for having faith. Just doesn’t seem fair to me to say a person that believes in God is dumb while another guy says we are from Monkeys. It just seems like a childish game of tag. One person says the other is dumb and im right because, but usually cant really support why they are and just says because I am right because so and so said so. Why not accept others thoughts and all be mature adults and stop saying well your wrong and im right. If you dont believe then stop picking on those who do. And those who believe stop picking on those who dont. It says to each his own. That makes sense to me.

Question for Kairi: What makes the theory of evolution stupid? I mean, let’s face it, minds more brilliant than yours (and I don’t mean that in a demeaning way. Let’s face it, there are some REALLY bright people out there) have accepted evolution as fact. As a matter of fact, it is our connection to animals that has brought about many of the benefits of our modern society, namely in the medical and pharmaceutical areas. Insulin for diabetics was initially tested on dogs. Why would that happen if there were no fundamental similarities between man and dog? Genetic testing for human diseases is done on mice. Could this possibly be because mice and humans have some similar genetics? I think that the success of much of this research points to the validity of their claims.

In this day and age, the evidence for evolution is truly all around you. You need only open your eyes and your minds. Does this mean that God didn’t create us in His image? Not necessarily. But which are you more ready to believe - real-life experience that works and that saves lives every day, or a book that exists in so many different versions because the people who believe in it can’t agree on, and often fight about, what it actually says?

A ape is still a animal and a man is still a man. God is a perpetual God when he says something it continues to happen until he stops it. When he said let there be light, light kept comming thruout the earth. Samething when he made man we continue to have man and man is continuing to overflow the earth the same as light. God made man to name the animals. He didn’t say the smartest of my creations will be man, who came from an animal that walks on its hand and eats with its feet. the proof that you can use is the book of Genesis. Where it is stated that he gave man dominion over all animals that creep, fly and swim. We would be able to hold a vocal conversation with the ape because it would have evolved with us or somewhere near after we first spoke with the devil when he took over the serpent body. The apes are still here because someone has to believe they have made a ape speak so they can take credit for it not give praises to God like he wants. But if you watch a primate eat you will notice that some of them can even give God thanks and we still wonder if he is real or not.

And all God wants us to do is just say thank you and say you are the most high God. That is why animals worship humans because they know that we are greater of all creations.

The Original Man is the Blackman. You can take it or let it alone. The Caucasian was grafted from the Original man by seperating the two germs that only the Original man has - those are the dark germ(stronger) and the light germ (weaker of the two). When you see a Black person who is lighter in skin color, the light germ is dominant in their body. However because of the strength of the dark germ, you can still see and notice the “black features” of that person. A Black scientist by the name of Yakub used these two germs to make a pale people on the Island of Pelan or Patmos (depends on where you are from). He would only allow the mating of the “light skinned” or as white supremisct call it “fair skinned” (as is black in unfair) to create more of the light skinned babies. These babies were only berothed to those lighter than them or as light as them. Over a period of 600 years, the laws he set in place produced what we now call White people. Scientist all over the world know the truth of this. Some will tell, but many will not. In any case - the apes! When the white scientist tried to graft back to the Original man (they tried to do the experiment backwards), they ended up with the ape. They were then driven back into the hills and cavesides of Europe. This is all taught and studied in a book called, The Message to The Blackman in America, by Elijah Muhammad. Again, you can take it or let it alone. I suggest you read and study for yourself.

Evolutionis a joke. We never evolved from an ape like creation. Evolutionists have been educated to imbacility. Common sense is nowhere to be found. For instance the giraffe got its long neck because food was scarce low to the ground is what I was tought in school. OK lets follow this thought.. no food close to ground.. what about all the other herbivores in that region? They did not grow a long neck so did they learn to jump 40 ft into the tree? If food was THAT scarce that over thousands of years an animals neck grew 12 ft wouldnt some other species have followed that same path? OR speaking of the vegitation. For a tree to reproduce it must drop seeds. So why for all those years where there no smaller trees to feed on? did all the trees stop doing what GOD designed them to do? Or was the earth too dry and for hundreds of years the seeds didnt get sown because of a bad climate. And if thats the case how did the mature trees survive this harsh environment?.. NOTHING about evolution makes sense PERIOD. Its all bullshit to me. Im not a scientist but I have common sense that tells me when something smells fishy.

Why do evolutionists always think that an unknown bone is “the missing link” or an ancestor? It seems like most ignore the facts (as was with Lucy and “modifing” its pelvis to make it human-like) and just want to prove their case? Also, we don’t have all the facts to prove macro-evolution. We’ve modified fruit flies DNA and have come up with wierd looking things that don’t survive. How is there life from things that are not living, let alone thought. Our own brains still haven’t figured out how it fully works. If the universe were billions of years old, why were there not meters of dust on the moon? Or why are the sediment layers not always holding organisms from the same time period? The more people try to prove that God (or the Bible) is not true, the more they actually prove it, such as finding the city of Nazereth. When people say that the stories of the bible are not true/accurate, such as the flood, they forget they are talking about God. Man has fallen away from God over time, since sin entered the world. “It is not you who they have rejected, but they have rejected me…” - 1 Samuel 8:7b. May the Lord be known to all as The King who loves us!

We have not stopped evolving. Technology has changed what traits are necessary for survival.

We are loosing the ability to deliver babies vaginally. Before Caesarian Sections women who’s birth cannal didn’t allow vaginal birth died in childbirth. Now we can perform C sections these genes are being passed on and every generation fewer women can deliver their babies vaginally.

Technology has brought us glasses so people born with poor vision have less of a disadvantage and effort saving tools make physical strength less of an advantage than it used to. Perhaps we will evolve in to weaklings with bad eyesignt. Hello geek-world.

Some people who have studied the effect of technology on our traits have deciding that we are de-evolving (the band Devo got its name from this). I’d argue that we are simply developing a more diverse gene pool that will give us a greater ability to survive in the future where the traits necessary for survival are now not known.

I see two common fallacies being repeated over and over here.

The first is that “evolution is only a theory”. There’s a fundamental difference between the definition of “theory” in the context of science and the defintion of “theory” in lay-use. Evolution is a theory in the same sense that gravity, thermodynamics, and quantum mechanics are theories. This wikipedia page does a good job explaining it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_theory_and_fact

The second is the “mutations don’t add information”. This argument relies on not properly defining the term “information”. If anyone is so inclined, I can go into shannon information theory, etc, but it’s mostly beside the point. The easiest way to refute the argument: For any mutation that someone proposes “removes information”, the opposite mutation is clearly also possible. Therefore, that mutation must “add information”, meaning the original statement is false.

whocares - you clearly don’t understand evolution, read up on it.

kairi22 - based on what? Your emotional denial?

equuswhisper - how is it demeaning? That’s an enormously, flagrantly arrogant statement.

gooseage - nicely put.

For myself though, I have to ask - Really? A god? Some ethereal, be-in-all-places-at-once, know-all-things being of pure benevolence? Sorry, I don’t buy ghosts or superman either. (Not totally sure I believe in Thomas Jefferson). I do consider myself an agnostic, so I am open to whatever turns out to be the truth, but I like to think that “God” is in the intrinsic intelligence of physical and universal laws and standards. That would include evolution. Things happen precisely because they must. In any situation something must occur, the details are dictated by the afore-mentioned universal laws and standards. If it turns out that for us to exist there must be a god to initiate it, then so be it. I have seen nothing to indicate that is the case. There might be a god, but it isn’t necessary for things to be the way they are.

want to hear something really whacky? ok, maybe just maybe, from somewhere far far away, like Mars, a being with the same knowledge of DNA splicing and clone making and pollution creating,and bomb producing, came to this planet and found some goofy looking animals, and thought, maybe we can save our race if we mix some of our DNA into this creature, and mixed some ugly Monkeys, and Cavemen and Martian DNA together,possibly the Martians were physically incompatible with the Earth’s atmosphere, and maybe thats how “man” came into being, who can think the same things the martian thought, and create and imagine the same thing the martian created, and finally are getting this planet all nice and polluted and ready to poison the atmosphere and blow each other to kingdom come, like they did, eventually. Maybe we should try , now that we have mastered our scientific minds to perfection, Mixing DNA with a white dove, maybe we can produce a new kind of more peaceful being. Nah…

OK tindog. Things happen, certainly. I suppose doing nothing is a happening. This ‘must’ business is a little worrying though. It used to be believed (and this was obvious!) that if you could know the precise position and velocity of every particle in the universe you would be able to predict the future. This is no longer the case. First the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle shows that you cannot know both the position and velocity of any particle - the more precisely you know one, the less you know the other. But then to confuse things further Quantum Mechanics shows that when you get down to the particular only random events happen. The large mass averages out to seemingly follow some universal laws, and this works well enough if all you want to do is turn on the tap or put a rocket on the moon. But there is enough wobble in the system to account for us, and the giraffe, given sufficient time. Random mutations happen in reproduction all the time, and every now and then one of them gives an advantage which makes the holder better able to survive and pass on the mutated gene. That’s all it takes.

Yeah that makes sense, but common sense also helps yo uunderstand something. And if that doesnt make sense then how can you understand it? If it is never understood then how can you get a point out if no one knows what your talking about? If no one knows what your talking about then no one will ever notice you saying anything at all, just rabbling on about something that no ones cares about or understands. My point is not that no one understands this its just that for it to be clear there has to be a reason why things happen and to have reason or it just doesn’t seem that accurate. It was not common sense that told people the world was flat, it was the catholic church that told them that, and back then it was a use to control thought and have power over the weak minded. But i guess you already knew that though. Im saying its still a theory isn’t it? Where is the missing link? I heard that one was supposely found but all so far were false. So if it has no connection, can it be certain? That If we evovled from a mammal like creature then why doesn’t other animals have the ability to have reason, and have the ability to creat machines. Its not just because of our thumbs, even monkey’s and apes have thumbs but still can’t create the things we have created. Sure they are beginning to learn math and language. Since it is suppose to be an adaption from the environment then why only human kind evolved the way it did?

Ok so I would like to have a try at your question. This could get long so please bear with me. Let me start by saying your question is an extremely valid one because it not only deals with who we are but what our worth and value is. If we are merely another creature in the mindless chain of life or if we a designed to be something greater than other creatures. If we are designed with a purpose. So I would challenge you no matter what you conclude about this to think about the possible deeper reason behind this question. That said… I will make the bold claim that we CANNOT SCIENTIFICLY SPEAKING (not to be confused with so called “blind faith” or biased fundamentalism) evolve from apelike ancestors at all. This is just not possible. In fact evolution, in the context of this question is impossible with all forms of life. First off let me say the term evolution can be misinterpreted greatly but in the context of this question the basic evolutionary worldview is that every creature you see today, gradually over time (lots and lots of time) evolved from some single celled organism that miraculously came to life in a primordial soup at the beginning. The huge, towering, and crippling problem with the theory is found when we look at the nature of the genes. The genes give the creature the basic instructions for life. Your genes tell you exactly what color of eyes you will have, how tall you will be, what color of hair you will have and a bunch of other things. This also the reason why you will never sprout wings and evolve into an angle or something. This is because the human species does not posses the genes required for this. Likewise a bird will never grow fingers. They do not have the genes required. So all this to bring you to my point…EVOLUTION ABSOLUTELY REQUIRES THE PRESENCE OF NEW INFORMATION IN THE GENES IN ORDER FOR ONE SPECIES TO BECOME ANOTHER SPECIES. This has never ever happened and never ever will happen which is why evolution is impossible. No dog will ever gain new genes over time and thereby evolve into some other speciest. Now evolutionists realize this and so they rely on mutations. Don’t miss this next statement. “Mutations are the faith, belief and God of evolution”. They realize that new information does not just fall from sky and land on the genes, so they claim that mutations over time give rise to all the differences in creatures which add up to evolution over time. They would actually be part way true in this claim. Mutations do indeed change a creature and also due different environments as well as conditions that a species can go through a species can certainly change its appearance and habits. It would seem then that they are right. That if enough small changes happen it would lead to big changes. The problem is that mutations never provide new information. They only twist and alter existing information. So for example lets say that your putting on socks and your shoes. Now pretend that your socks are one gene and your shoes are another. A mutation would be if one day you decided to put your shoes on first and the put your socks on over them. Now you could do any number of different combinations and order that would screw with how they are naturally supposed to fit on your feet, but try as long as you want but you will never ever, change your socks into say a shirt. You could were them backwards, you could flip them inside out you could tear, twist and manipulate them but they would still, bottom line be your shoes and socks. This is why a dino can never evolve into a bird. The dino could mutate again and again for billions of years, but it would never recieve the new information required in the genes for feathers just like your shoes will never turn into pants. Of course the appearance of the original dino could certainly change, but the results would always be within the dino species. This is clearly seen within the vast variety of the dog species. All of them are different and all of them are dogs. The bottom line is that mutation defiantly can change creatures, mostly for the worse occasionally for the better, but they never create a new type of creature. Information is never increased. An organism will only work with what it already has. Anyway, I hope that this long drawn out answers helps a little bit. I realize that this dose not specifically deal with remaining apes, but I think that some of the posts above gave a suffice answer according the evolutionary worldview so sorry about not specifically dealing with the question but I felt that this answer might help answer that. I encourage you to keep pursuing the truth and realize that the man in the white laboratory coat is not unbiased and a bit of everyone’s worldview creeps out in whatever they do or say, including mine. I think that if want to pursue this further, you should check out this amazing video. This video is not some religious, biased video trying to convince you anything. It is simply an amazing vid of the human cell and all the process. There is no explaining or talking on this vid so you just simply watch without any complicated information flooding you. The 3D animation is awesome. My challenge for you is to consider while watching this is “how could some thing like this happen?” “Is it random, purposeless change that created this machine that is a million times more complex than anything a purposeful, creative human produced?” Or is there some other explanation. That is all. Thanks! the link is below http://www.xvivo.net/press/harvard_university.htm

Current “apes” evolved from an earlier form of ape. Current humans evolved from an earlier form of human that was more like current “apes”. No evolutionist ever said apes turned into humans as if it were some sort of magic. Again, some previous form of human was more like an ape.Whatever forces of nature that specialized that animal along its path to today simply were different than the forces that created the current form of ape. The old ape like humans started eating meat for example, which increased the size and power of its brain. Most current apes are not carnivores, meaning they evolved from herbivores, their systems are not specialized by tens of thousands of years to process meat, ours are, because when our ancestors ate meat and lived, changed because of it… meat eating is just one small example of uncountable environmental changes that were either lived through and hence carried on, or not lived through and died out.

Someone above mentioned ‘no real evidence’ to support the theory of evolution, which is frankly laughable… since when was the fossil-record declared ‘surreal’… ? It is certainly more real than deities written about in books but never confirmed with any hard evidence …

im an evolutionist, and people must realize we evolutionized off a common ancestor of the ape, and even Darwin said “MAYBE”. also the bible was written by man, not god, so some of the stories to me all, arent the words of jesus or god.

im only going to say this once, and thats all!!! WE DID NOT EVOLVE FROM APES!!! THAT IS JUST STUPID, AND UNTRUE!!! I TOTALLY AGREE WIT EQUUSWHISPERER!!! WE DID NOT EVOLVE FORM APES!!!

I like common sense - it saves having to think. Aristotle’s common sense told him that a heavier weight would fall faster than a lighter one. Common sense once told people that if they sailed far enough they’d fall off the edge of the world.

Einstein said something like, common sense is the sum of everything you’ve heard up to the age of 18.

we did not evolve from anything. if you believe in evolution then basically you think we came from rocks.. do rocks have feelings? umm no.. do they bleed? do they have spirits. NO evolution.. what a load of bollocks.

Good question hooch. As of now scientist are still debating these issue and they still did not come up with a real scientific evidence regarding the evolution of man from ape what they have found out is either a real human and a real ape. So these theory is still to be proven but they did not come up with any real evidence but there is still a possibility.

well its simple really at one point in time natural selection gave birth to a new strand of primates and they kept evolving to fit in with their new environments and the apes just did evolve as rapidly as we did…but their still evolving but on a much slower rate

I have wondered this myself, especially when I look at photos of my wife’s family. her mother! quite the gorilla, I did not know that they had apes in afganistan but apparently they do, and quite a few! her aunts are even worse. I would love to blowtorch and carmelize them all!

WORD, sirussurge, he aint lyin’, he’s testifyin’… And it’s odd that no one’s raised the genetic evidence that proves evolutionary theory hands-down/ lay-down-open misarre… It’s all there in A’s, G’s, C’s and T’s.

We didn’t evolve from apes. We evolved from a common ancestor of apes and other primates, therefore we were able to adapt into different branches.

thats hilarious. yeah and were not evolving so what does that mean we didn’t evolve from anything anyway. we were created by god.

“ animals worship humans because they know that we are greater of all creations”. Tell that to the next crocodile [tiger, funellweb spider] you meet!

I personally believe evolution is such a lie. im christian and I believe GOD MADE HUMANS not.. GOD MADE APES, THAT TURNED INTO HUMANS .

my opinion :)

so they can evolve after the next ice age which will happen soon as the ice caps are melting therefore flooding the world. as we wont be able to use cars or anything like that harmful to the environment nature will start healing itself and the “hole” in the ozone layer will heal thus the earth getting colder and freezing most of the water surrounding (or covering) all the land masses and life will start the circle again.

Wow! What a question. If we knew all the answers we would be God, I suppose. I can tell you two things: (1) We did not evolve from apes; apes and mankind both evolved from something older. There is much archeological evidence to support this, and more bits are found every now and then. And (2) The world is much much stranger than you think.

People have spent lifetimes researching these things, and most just push the subject a tiny bit further. (Occasionally someone really brainy makes a giant leap forward, but that is rare.)

Everything is written down. Many of these books are not easy to read. A college education certainly helps. But there are simpler texts - when something has been known for a while it becomes possible to simplfy it; some people are very good at doing this. Ask for help in your library.

Whoa, I’m surrounded by evolutionists. I’m a Creationist. No, we did not evolve from apes. God created the world in seven days. True, there might be some changes (example: horses used to be really, really small), but man did not come from an animal. (WHAT A DEMEANING THOUGHT!!!) Adam and Eve were the first people, and we’re all descended from them. Yes, even the evolutionists. ;)

We are still apes…the only difference is we think we know better. If anything we are just another ape like species, but instead of living in tune with nature…we choose to destroy it…bit like a cancer on the planet…our intelligence is useless, we are so smart we build nuclear bombs to wipe ourselves out. I rather be a monkey…far away from humans clearing forests!!!

I must say this i attacked a question with the thought of being correct and forgot the fact of respect toward others. An example we all forget some times. You have a good point. There is a lot of things yet to make reason, but that can be said about simial things. How can a tissue, muscle and electricity creat thought, The brain. How can distorting Light create pictures, the camera. These things are done and they are complicated to explain and not so simply to understand. So i have thought about it, and such a question must be thought about, because others want a clear answer and yet sometimes its can’t be as clear as we want it. So yes, i respect the thought of Eveloution i may not understand it, or fully believe in all of it. But none the less it has affects that are visible and can be explained. So I must say sorry for sanping at a question, just shows us how primiative we stil be.

I don’t beleive that we evolved from apes at all..and to be truthfull, I don’t really care how the first man/woman got here, all I know is I’m here now and I’m livin it up to the fullest

As far as the giraffe question goes, it’s not that there’s no vegetation low to the ground, which would indeed mean that nothing could survive. Rather, there is high competition between various herbivore species for the vegitation low to the ground. But the giraffes with longer necks were able to reach higher, to the vegitation that was far less competed for, and thus those with the ability to reach high had a higher rate of survival, and passed on the trait to future generations.

So you see, it does make sense, with a little thought on how an ecosystem functions.

ermm i dunno, to me evulution makes no sense at all, but… if people say that adam and eve existed then how come boys have an extra 2 ribs than us if the rib for eve 2 make her was taken out of adam?????? i makes no sense… but it could be true… and so could evolution… depends on what you believe…

Erm, OOOkay… so you guys don’t actually KNOW anything about science ( genetics/ fossil-record/ zoological/ physiological theory of evolution/ etc), except that you hate the idea of being informed with any facts that clash with your current ideology. OK. Go back to sleep then, or plug back into the ‘conspiracy’ ‘network’ or whatever. I’ll chat to peeps who are still capable of objective thought. Cheers, Owen

The purpose of science is to attempt to explain the “how”. I think as scientist we tend to fall in the trap of trying to answer “why”. “Why giraffe’s grew longer necks?” shouldn’t be the question, but rather how through mutations and natural selection acting upon those mutations a giraffe with a longer neck was able to benefit and pass on this trait? Evolution is a theory like any other theory, which is just an attempt to explain an observation. But to answer the question evolutionarily speaking, the “tree of life” is not a linear evolution (meaning a progenator must cease to exist) but rather exibits laternal gene flow as well. Imagine a tree with seperarate branches.

I find it interesting that creationists vehemently defend their viewpoint (usually), while evolutionists generally stop arguing after they realize there’s nothing they can do to persuade the other side.. don’t you think that means that the creationists are, unconsciously, unsure whether the concept of intelligent design is in fact true, and in trying to convince the other person to agree they’re actually trying to persuade themselves?

Further to arachnid’s two fallacies, I would like to add another. One which many believers in evolution seen keen on. This is that acquired characteristics can be passed on. Lamarck thought this was how the giraqffe got its long neck, and from early times researchers have been trying to show it can happen this way. Early last century a midwife toad that had adapted to black feet and then produced offspring with black feet was exhibited. It was later found to be a fake - Junior’s feet had been injected with indian ink. Then Lysenko in Russia claimed that pulling leaves off cotton plants led to future plants breeding leafless, a clear advantage. Stalin believed him and Russia nearly starved.

It just doesn’t happen that way.

“If we evolved from apes, why are there still apes?” Excellent question. Answer: because we did not evolve from “apes” .. but, rather, what we call “apes” today, have been evolving to look like apes ever since we split from them and began evolving into good-looking people, like me. The apes of today are our cousins, so to speak. We all go back to a common ancestor. How can we call that ancestor a MAN? or an APE? Anthropoligists call him an _ [OK funadvisors, let’s all google it and find out for him/herself :-) ]

we didnt evolve and we didnt decend from god we just appeared here who created god?

WORD superjediman… and aye, getting back to the actual question, which was “since evolutionists believe that people evolved from apes then why are there still apes ?” I guess the short answer is that many moons ago the predecessor of H.sapien ‘branched-off’ (diverged) from a common ancestor that we share with the apes, and each branch continued to evolve separately… Cheers, Owen

evolution happens because of environmental changes that can cause change in food availability or make it necessary to travel by different means and as a result the changes that can cause evolution begin. If the environment caused a group of apes in one area to begin to get smarter in order to survive, that group may have, after a long period of time, began to seperate itself from other groups of apes. That is the same with all other forms of life, and sometimes the unevolved will die out. Other times, the unevolved will find ways to keep the species going. In this case, you will have the old species and eventually, a completely new species. This is what happened in the evolution of humans from other mammals.

Why can’t it be both? Creationism and evolution.

It has just occurred to me that maybe I shouldn’t be so judgemental; if it gives simple peeps comfort to believe that they are a cut above all the other animals on earth that simply evolved, then who am I to burst their bubble of ignorant bliss ? That’s my new take on the whole affair. In other words, some people simply don’t have the mental capacity to reason with. They FAILED to evolve from the apes, and reached some sort of ‘quasi-ape-like’ state of being. Cheers, Owen

because we did not evolve from apes.

Evolution is not about “progress” from “worse” to “better”. Any change that promotes survival will survive. We are not “better” than apes, just better at surviving in certain environments.

There’s no doubt that our and apes’ ancesters were more apelike than human-like, but the original question is like asking, if my name is Smith but my mother’s name was Jones, why there are still Joneses?

As for all the people who say it’s not true, Goddidit, well you all just show the failure of education in your country.

3 words “GOD MADE HUMANS” Thats all you need to know! read the bible, fist chapter.(will only take 5 mins.)

Sorry, but I just can’t help but think…

“Some people in this world just never have evolved !”

… yeah, bad joke, I know !

I thought that human evolution is a theory which states that humans developed from primates, or ape-like, ancestors - not Apes.

funny how we dont find very old fossils of apes or apes evolving, besides I dont believe in that science crap god made us and thats that.

I don’t know… good point!

because evolution is extremely false.

part of evolution is seperation some apes left to live somewhere else and evoled and the others stayed and didnt need to evole

I have been wondering that myself for a very long time, and also why have we stopped evolving from them?

what do think the “missing link” is refering to?

we evolved from a different type of ape.

sorry, I do wear glasses lol ermmm well I still don’t know. but sorry 4 makeing the last person mad.

we didnt evolve from apes. its a theory, not the truth

I believe apes evolved from pigs from elephants from mamaths ye s humans may have been once mamaths

because we did not come from apes. we were created.

you make no sense.

We don’t evolve from apes, apes and humans are two different species but with similar characteristics.