Who thinks I'm defying my religion?

God made bi’s, straight, gays, and lesbians. were all still children of GOD cause he made us all special nomatter what you are

actually the church is no against homosexuals, bisexuals relations. Its the marriage and sexual acts between couples they are against, they believe that sex should be within marriage and the act should unify and be open to pregnancy (which lots of people use contraceptives anyways) so anal, oral, etc arent to be practiced by homosexuals OR heterosexuals becuase there is no openess to pregnancy. they see homosexuality as an imaturity of the mind. I took a religions course, and this was basically what we were talking about all semester, also im a christian too.

Sorry about the bluntness, but in this case who cares about your religion?. its your choice and tbh, you cnt help which gender your attracted to. my friend is bi-sexual, but she’s christiuan as well - she doesnt give a damn (sorry, was that blasphemous? I don’t know.) anyway, my advice would be to follow your heart. can you change who your attracted to? I dont think so. but is one little thing thts considered a sin in your life going to send you to hell? its highly unlikely. im not religious so I cnt empathise with u, but I do hope my advice has been helpful :)

I think your religion shouldnt have anything to do with your sexuality. its a part of you, just like your personality, your looks, and your favorite food!

god isnt going to hate you because you are bisexual. if you are a good person, help others when they need help, and love your family and friends, then who cares about your sexuality?. it isnt hurting anybody.

its just all about what kind of person you are. there could be a straight girl that is a mean person and deliberately hurts people all the time. im sure god loves you 1000 times more than her.

you cannot help your sexuality. you are not defying your religion.

So, basically what thehellwithyou is saying, is that the church isn’t against being a homosexual…it’s just against acting out in a homosexual manner (sexual acts with someone of the same sex, marriage, etc) simply because it can’t get you pregnant.

You can be gay, but you can’t have a partner. You also can’t use contraceptives - did you know that? Nice.

I’m afraid that being bi-sexual does go against the fabric of what the church revolves around, no matter how you try to analyze it.

I, personally, don’t agree with any of that and I think Christianity has pushed aside far too many would-be followers because of their rigid views on how life should be.

yes you cant use contraceptives, and yes they believe that each act there has to be an openess to it, you can monitor menstraul cycle but no artificial contraception. I personally see no point in that. and they see homsexuality as a “imaturatiy of the mind” I also know there are programs where they encourage homosexuals to be chaste. I have nothing against homosexuality, I was just sharing what I learnt.

Base on the organized business known as Christianity you are defying God. But nowhere in the bible do I see anything where you need to take the Bibles meaning in the way some organization percieved the readings.

I have read the Bible cover to cover multiple times. Throughout my readings I learned that every passage can be taken a different way and mean something differnt to everyone.

I was raised catholic but against the whole concept of an organized religion. Religion is a belief and you should never have to pay for your belief or be told how to follow it. Its your religion and not something some old man should be telling you how to live.

Yes you are honey. Since your a Christian, You should know that, thats wrong. You really need to change that. Yes, we are all human, and we will make mistakes. But thats just one you should change to be honest. a lot of people believe that it ain’t true that your defying God. Just remember one thing. Don’t loose faith with the Lord. He loves you very much, don’t deny him, because he will deny you.

• Advice Girl, (:

I hate when people say they are born gay or whatever. thats stupid. just like a straight person chooses who they like, a gay/bi person chooses that as well…

and yeah, you are. God destroyed ‘Sodom’[gay] and *Gamora because of sexual immorality. and people up there are wrong, if your gay/bi/les, your out of the will of God. it doesnt matter bout marrige etc.

ok dont listen to anyone who tells youthats wrong because of your religion. first off I am religious. however I have been thinking the same thing as you. I always wonder how a gay person can believe in the bible and god when god created you are his book says that the way you are is wrong and sinful and bad…welll my theory is that the bible was translated a thousand yreas ago, or whatever, and isnt there a chance that they made wrond translations, I mean they talk about unicorns in the bible The unicorn is mentioned 9 times in the Bible (Numbers 23:22; 24:8; Deuteronomy 33:17; Job 39:9, 10; Psalm 22:21; 29:6; 92:10; Isaiah 34:7). it also has more murder than any other book I have ever read!Deuteronomy 17:12, Leviticus 20:13 NAB)Proverbs 20:20 there are much much more, so let me ask you this: are we sinning by NOTt killing unwed mothers, or for not killing a child for swearing at his parents, or for not burning a preists daughter at the stake for fornication? this is just somthing to think about. things can be misinturperated. live YOUR life and follow your heart

FOLLOW YOUR HEART.

Do you know the story of Sodom and Gomorah in the Bible? When the angels visited Lot, all the men of the city wanted Lot to bring out the angels(who were male). Later on, God destroyed the city of Sodom and Gomorah because of their wickedness. I’m positive their homosexuality was one of the reasons for their destruction. Homosexuality is wrong. Of course, as Christians, we are far from perfect, but God is patient. Get some help :) I’m a Christian too, and I’ll pray for you.

I’m not being mean but Christains are power hungry people that would talk down to other people how don’t follow their religion(including me being wiccan). I believe you can do want ever you want as long as your not hurting yourself or others. My sister is bi and shes the nice person you’ll ever meet. As long as your happy it dosn’t matter what “god” thinks.

I wasnt condemning her. she asked her question and I gave my outlook on things and what the Bible says. I’m not saying she has to change I was just stating how I felt about it. you obviously disagree and thats fine there is nothing I can do about that. you have the right to think however you want.

I’m not saying she has to change I was just stating how I felt about it.

You WERE condemning her by calling it stupid without knowing what it is about or finding the time to go and research how it works. Also your information is WRONG, if people could choose whether to be gay or not, why on earth wouldn’t they do that?

Yes you are honey. Since your a Christian, You should know that, thats wrong. You really need to change that. Yes, we are all human, and we will make mistakes. But thats just one you should change to be honest.

I’m sorry to pick you yeradvicegirl but she doesn’t need to change who she is when she is perfectly fine that way. Why is being a homosexual or bisexual a mistake? She might as well be a product of the pressure that religion has over all people. It shocks me to believe that god won’t accept you simply because you are true to yourself? That bugs me the most.

I dont think so. its not your fault your bisexual im a lesbian and im christan to. but just because the bible says that it doesnt mean that your defying god. in the blibe it states that girls have no rights and if they do then why do girls have a say now in life? and why are people having sex before marriges? people say that bi, gay, lesbian are going to hell but there not. where humans I dont understand why its wrong and why it says that in the bible. so dont worrie about that. you cant change the fact that your lesbian. I just dont wake up one morning and say “oh I want to be lesbian to piss off god” its who you are. and if your really bisexual be true to yourself and dont lie on who you really are in life because if your lieing to yourself about who you are do you think god likes that? he wants you to be happy. there are other churches out there that do except people like that for an example like true colors. dont let the bible tell you where your going to go. try your best to be happy and if you feel like your not then change is so you are

wow ok I wasn’t going to say any till I read what everyone said, and after reading all the post well I must clear something’s up. Ok first…

Yes it is wrong under the Christian belief to be bi/homosexual. Why b/c that’s not what God wants you to do. And yes some people are born bi/homosexual, but not all are some have learned this behavior through there life experiences, not all are genetically made gay. That’s like saying all fat or obese people are genetically that way b/c some happen to be. We know that most people have learned the behavur to cause them to be that way (sexuality is genetic and also learn behavior based on experiences.)

Ok next if you want to be a Christian (a true follower) then you should try to live as God wants you to. But if you don’t then you can ask to be forgiven. Think this maybe an experimenting stage in your young life many of my friends have done the same thing and some did change and other didn’t, that’s normal I don’t look at them any different still my friends. your sin of being bisexual is the same as another person who sins by gossiping all the time, or lying, or drinking, or having sex before marriage, or thinking of having sex with people, or thinking about kill/harming people, etc… It’s the same sin and can be forgiven. Though you must try to minimize your sinful nature (try to be better, don’t be lazy). So I say you must go through this stage in your life, but be careful not to over do it to the point that you’ll outcast/loose your self and fall to far from God. In the end you came out better what ever choice you make as least in the worldly since.

ok and God doesn’t make you gay or bi, God only made your soul not how you are in the world, under that line of thinking then God must have made all the crazy killers in the world that way so why do we stop them from killing? Many were born with the ability to be evil (seemingly more evil then the rest of us by the worlds view on the matter) like ted Bundy, Manson, etc (with out that voice that tells them its wrong). I know what some may think of but that’s a sin that hurts others that’s why we must stop it. Correct, but homo/bi-sexuality is a sin against ones self which we all do all the time that’s why we are not good people! And that’s up to each and every one of us to correct it personally on your own. God doesn’t make us sin we make us sin, that’s where free will comes into play, remember we are all sinful people and no one, I mean no one is good. I mean why wouldn’t God make all of us straight then if he really want us to be like that, or not hate, or with out sin for that matter? Oh yeah its free will (and that we are fallen), we have to choose to follow him and what he said.

And to “in_omnia_paratus” no one is a good person, no one. The bible is very clear on this, only God is good. Why??? B/c in the bible you have nothing better then good, nothing worse then evil. And you can only be one or the other. and guess what we are evil, all of us (from you to me to the wiccen on here, to all the people who say they are good Christians who IMO are some of the worst, all the same level of evil too). that’s why Jesus had to die for us to allow us to be forgiven (for sinning and continuing to sin which we cant help but we can reduce, just never be pure and free from it) b/c we are evil, as the bible states we are children of satin, b/c he (satin) made us fall form edan (place where we were with God). see you think of good as being a decent person who helps people out and doesn’t hurt people but my have a few faults (like me and am sure you), and yeah I agree with you. But that’s the “worlds” definition of good (good as in average person) not Gods in which being good is pure, or the purest (without fault or sin) which none of us are. Even Jesus said that he isn’t Good only God is, though of course he was and is far better then any of us. I can explain this better if any of you wish.

Ok now to the people here who use God to hate others or tell others that he hates them your even more lost then nonbelievers or people you say are damned who are gay. God says he hate many things but you cannot say that God hates people, which is not your place to speak on his behalf damming others in his name. By doing so you are doing what God doesn’t want you to do. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for many reasons one of which was homosexuality but it wasn’t the main reason. The people there sinned in every way possible and didn’t stop at any point. they also didn’t have God anywhere at anytime with them (which is the main reason for God striking them down), why because they chose to be with out him, and God saved Lot and his family (other then his wife who didn’t obey God and was turn to salt) b/c they followed him, and resisted the sinful nature of the world around them, though am sure they all sinned just that they didn’t run wild like the others. The main point that you should be from the story is that one must not allow them selves to be consumed by their every desires without limits or God, b/c that will lead to your downfall in death here or in the here after.

Ok now to “hysterical” and “zudano” and others who commented on the bible. Ok one reading it cover to cover doesn’t mean you understand that’s why one can say it be seen in different ways. That’s because most people don’t understand God, why because we are all dumbasses yes dumbasses even me to a degree. God is the all knowing being who is trying to tell us the dumbasses how to live correctly times that by billions of people who don’t understand the natural world around let alone the supernatural world of souls and God and you get many different ways to look at Gods word. But that yeah we must read and think then read again and think some more then understand and talk to others. Most Christians in the world have it wrong way, way wrong. It an on going learning cycle with God. and you cant look at half of the bible and say that’s what following Gods about you must include the other half, which is the new testament which is What being a Christian is really based on b/c that’s the word that Jesus Christ give us, hence Christian or follower of Christ’s word.

Ok and now to randomperson27 or the witch as ill call you, lol not really not ever. oh your not a witch your a wiccan, one you cannot to harm to others and believes in nature and living in harmony with the world, etc. yes I know about your beliefs I have spoken to many wiccans (in fact one lives on my street) and studying it in my another-religion classes. So as I know you don’t like to be lumped in the group of people who follow your religion in a manner in which it allows them to bring harm to people, then why would you do it to others. As a non believer no true Christian could ever, ever, ever talk down to you or ever, ever, ever pass judgment on you, or ever, ever, ever be power hungry no more then a true wiccan could use it to bring harm to others. If they do then they are no Christian. And if you’re trying to be a Christian then it does matter what God thinks and it does matter if you follow him correctly.

Sorry for the long post but so many have God wrong and what it is to be a true Christian wrong, I had to say something.

There is a documentary For_the_Bible_Tells_Me_So about the Bible and homosexuality. It doesn’t limit itself to fundamentalists, it includes Theologians, Bible scholars and Christian families with gay members.

And yes some people are born bi/homosexual, but not all are some have learned this behavior through there life experiences, not all are genetically made gay.

Science proves otherwise? Where is your proof?

That’s like saying all fat or obese people are genetically that way b/c some happen to be. We know that most people have learned the behavur to cause them to be that way

Homosexuality isn’t some sort of sexual behaviour it is a SEXUAL PREFERENCE. Big difference once again.

Ok next if you want to be a Christian (a true follower) then you should try to live as God wants you to. But if you don’t then you can ask to be forgiven.

There is your solution rawrishlexis, be who you are and who that god of you supposedly made you and then every now and then tell him you are sorry for the way he made you. :/

Think this maybe an experimenting stage in your young life many of my friends have done the same thing and some did change and other didn’t

Yes, because the others might have just been BI-CURIOUS, not BI- or HOMOSEXUAL. Once again there is a difference.

your sin of being bisexual is the same as another person who sins by gossiping all the time, or lying, or drinking, or having sex before marriage, or thinking of having sex with people, or thinking about kill/harming people, etc

snorts How can something which they cannot help be a sin. In that case being straight is a sin also, if you can’t choose to be straight then you can’t choose to be gay.

So I say you must go through this stage in your life, but be careful not to over do it to the point that you’ll outcast/loose your self and fall to far from God.

sigh once again go look up the difference between bi-curious and bi-sexual.

ok and God doesn’t make you gay or bi, God only made your soul not how you are in the world, under that line of thinking then God must have made all the crazy killers in the world that way so why do we stop them from killing? Many were born with the ability to be evil (seemingly more evil then the rest of us by the worlds view on the matter) like ted Bundy, Manson, etc

Are you REALLY that ignorant as to compare homosexuality with MURDER? REALLY? Homosexuality is a genetic sexual preference just like heterosexuality. Serial killers for example are made that way because god gave them parents and people who raped them as children etc etc.

God doesn’t make us sin we make us sin, that’s where free will comes into play,

LOL, the old free will argument. Why on earth does your god make you, knowing (since he is all knowing) how you will turn out and then punishes you for it. He is certainly a bored guy.

And to “in_omnia_paratus no one is a good person, no one.

Yes, and homosexuals aren’t worse than we are.

But that’s the worlds definition of good (good as in average person) not Gods in which being good is pure, or the purest (without fault or sin) which none of us are. So once again he is bored, he makes this being without sin of his unattainable.

Most Christians in the world have it wrong way, way wrong.

So do you, you have it SUPER WRONG.

Please do yourself a favour, next time before you post, read about the science behind homosexuality and serial killers and never ever compare the two again. You are sounding really ignorant, but then again somehow these days one doesn’t expect much more of a Christian.

The Bible condemns male homosexuality, but it doesn’t even mention female homosexuality, so you’re in the clear even if you think a god wrote that silly ancient book of myth, superstition, and propaganda.

To ifeelcrazy123, wow do you come with an open mind or do you just look at everything with a set state of mind before considering all points?? I also see you speak on things that you know very little about.

ok what I said about genetics is simply that not all people are born that way, however we are all born with the need for sex, that is genetically in all people, but sexual preference not genetic, and is learn (however it is suggested in some research that we all have a give bodytype/ framon type that drives each people crazy). You must have never studied human sexuality. I was not stating that all gay or bi people choose to be that way, just simply some (some being a low percent) having learned it. I believe most are born that way. Also science has not proven that all bi/gay people are born that way just simply that they have found the gene that seems to give “Evidence” to that clime (they found this by studying primate that we are related to like Bonobo’s which display similar sexual traits and diversity as humans do, then they started on human research which go on today). You must not understand science, genetics, or physical anthropology. That is fine most people don’t. Science is currently researching more on this find from test groups of animals and people that display homo/bi behavior. And im sure that with more research science will prove that most gay/bi people are born that way.

Next having a sexual preference is mostly learned in all forms; once again you seem not to understand human sexuality. Being straight or gay/bi is not a preference it a desire we all have rooted in the fact that all human beings have sexual need. not what one is into sexually which is a preference I.e. how one looks at people they are attracted to, not who (being male or female) they are attracted to (body-type, gender-role, etc).

Now you can’t understand what I said about God and how he wants you to live unless you study Christianity 9you don’t have to be a follower you just have to understand it). To someone who has not fully studied it, it does seem crazy but so does anything that is out side the natural world. So since you don’t understand it you should ask before passing judgment on the subject.

Now I know the difference between being “CURIOUS”, but to one who is going through this experience doesn’t know, that why I told her to just go thought it. She will find out that she is gay, bi, or straight. I guess you don’t do a lot of reading analysis, I made that clear, but I guess not clear enough for some. If you read her post she seems to be unsure of her self.

This shows a bad side of you, and your understanding your sin of being bisexual is the same as another person who sins by gossiping all the time, or lying, or drinking, or having sex before marriage, or thinking of having sex with people, or thinking about kill/harming people, etc

snorts How can something which they cannot help be a sin. In that case being straight is a sin also, if you can’t choose to be straight then you can’t choose to be gay.

You don’t understand what a sin is under Christian belief system, so why do you make fun it?? You make me out to be the one who doesn’t understand this girls / communities problem. And you’re the one who know little about our community’s beliefs. Funny how that happens. It’s still a sin because your not suppose to do it, but since you can help it, that’s why I stated the reason for Jesus and for repenting. And yeah having sexual desire is a sin straight or not. Like I said you can’t understand this unless you understand Christianity.

Ok next… ok and God doesn’t make you gay or bi, God only made your soul not how you are in the world, under that line of thinking then God must have made all the crazy killers in the world that way so why do we stop them from killing? Many were born with the ability to be evil (seemingly more evil then the rest of us by the worlds view on the matter) like ted Bundy, Manson, etc

Are you REALLY that ignorant as to compare homosexuality with MURDER? REALLY? Homosexuality is a genetic sexual preference just like heterosexuality. Serial killers for example are made that way because god gave them parents and people who raped them as children etc.

The question is, are you really as ignorant as to think that I mean to compare the to? I guess so… loll. I just stated that God doesn’t make you gay or a sociopath like that people I list though science has found a genetic link that suggest that both are born traits. But I guess you missed that science lesson on sociopathic genetic links. And that fine, funny how you seem so sure of the scientific find that suggests not proves homosexuality, and bi-sexuality. But that cool we all can’t know everything we are talking about.

Now free will, once again you speak on a subject you know nothing about. God made us in Eden of which we lived as he wanted us to. then we fell from Eden and came into to world (of our own free will), and are now in the world that satin lives in. so we ( as in Adam and Eve) choose to go against Gods word and fell, we have the some fait as fallen descendents of the original human beings. Now this is the Christian belief on the matter. If you want to know more then I would be happy to answer any question you have. But don’t mock things you don’t understand that is very ignorant on your part. I read/study about all religions and mock non no matter how far from my beliefs they are.

Now here your funny.. And to “in_omnia_paratus no one is a good person, no one.

Yes, and homosexuals aren’t worse than we are.

Oh I see that you got the point of me saying that being gay/bi in Christian beliefs is no better or worst then everyone else. Good job!!! That was the point I was making. Nice…

God is not bored you just don’t understand our belief system on the matter, but I guess being ignorant is your bliss /choice, correct?

And?? Most Christians in the world have it wrong way, way wrong.

So do you, you have it SUPER WRONG

What do I have wrong? I know my religion I don’t damn anyone, I defended the gay/bi community in my post and stated they are no more sinners then me or you or anyone else. I know the science that suggests that points you think are proven facts, I know about human sexuality and the difference of one being CURIOUS and stated that clearly. and I show no prejudice again anyone like you did against me, though I do understand you statement about what one expects of a Christian today, but why am I grouped with those people simple b/c you know noting on the belief system, or cant read and understand people??? But I guess sadly that’s to be expected from ignorant people in general.

Also I do your self a favor before calling anyone ignorant again, look in the mirror sister, and read a peer-reviewed scientific journal on genetics, not news or webpage’s, or word of mouth. (if you want to know were to find these real science sources that have no opinions only data and facts from the actual researchers as they submit them to others in the scientific community for review, then I can give you a list)

they see homosexuality as an imaturity of the mind.

See now here is one of the reasons why I am not Christian anymore, half of the things that spouts from their mouths are a bunch of nonsense. Really? Immaturity of mind? I suppose then it takes one to create one, after all these people CAN NOT choose what sex they are attracted to. Your god has to be a really stupid not to even understand what he himself (apparently) created.

I hate when people say they are born gay or whatever. thats stupid. just like a straight person chooses who they like, a gay/bi person chooses that as well…

The choose WHO they like, not WHAT SEX they are attracted to. BIG difference. Once again, who are you to judge? I find it hilarious that Christians are the first to claim do not judge, yet they are the first to judge people (ALWAYS).

Homosexuality, just like depression are one of the most misunderstood things in the world and Christianity is probably the religion that spouts the biggest nonsense about it. Priests, pastors and others who have no medical, scientific background and have not been in those people’s shoes are those who are the worst in judging and making inaccurate claims.

But then again, I do have hope for the poor uneducated fools, after all many years ago it was believed that the earth was flat, so maybe in future people will start seeing things for what they are and not the bunch of nonsense that is written in a book that is ages old.

So to answer your question rawrishlexis, you are defying your religion (according to all the bigots in it). Why not choose a religion that more suits your beliefs and will allow you to be yourself and to love yourself for who you are.

I hate when people say they are born gay or whatever. thats stupid. just like a straight person chooses who they like, a gay/bi person chooses that as well…

This gave me a laugh, your calling homosexuals and bisexuals posers? lol… For starters homosexuality is genetics. That means that they don’t have a choice on who to like. That was already decided for them, what does happen is that their surroundings influence how open they are about being a homosexual and what they find as normal/abnormal. I haven’t recalled choosing to fall in love with someone, its not like you pull out a list of people and say ‘’ I want to fall in love with her’’. Its called sexual orientation dude… You can’t control that.

Zudano pointed out something very important and I agree entirely with him. Jonathan211 its nice really nice that your condemning her just for liking something that she has no control over. I seriously can’t fit this thought into my head. Why does god not accept you for being homosexual? You have done nothing more then love another human being with everything you have… How is that wrong? Why does gender make something right and something else wrong. You don’t honestly think god is that cruel and won’t accept you for simply loving another person and wanting to share your body with that other person?

Listen to Zudano he is right on the mark

I was raised catholic but against the whole concept of an organized religion. Religion is a belief and you should never have to pay for your belief or be told how to follow it. Its your religion and not something some old man should be telling you how to live.