What was the religion of abraham?

It doesn’t mean that he is the son Of God at all.

And it doesn’t mean that he ISN’T either… Pregnancy requires some sort of stimuli from an outside source to occur, in this case, God provided it, so that means God is the father.

Allah (God) makes rules in this life and break it to show that he is capable of doing anything.

Oh, so God is a show-off… how arrogant…

we all know so she had a father but she had no mother.

…we all know? Exactly WHO are you claiming is her father? Adam? So you think the world was populated by one guy nailing his own daughter? Wow… you should at least TRY to think a little more figuratively.

By the way, you actually ‘know’ NOTHING about Adam and Eve, since none of the information can be verified. You have no way of ‘knowing’ if the story is true or false, literal or figurative. You can only choose to BELIEVE one or the other…

The most common thing I’ve heard from Muslims, is they believe the Bible is outdated, and has been corrupted (tampered with) by too many people.

You see it’s hard explaining it to unbelievers…As followers of Christ the Word of God is inside of us in the form of the HOly Spirit …that’s why one can take one verse and all have the same interpretation…and why it’s harder to be misled because the Spirit can recognize if something is even slightly different from the truth…believers all share the the same Spirit that makes us all understand one truth…This is my opinion according to my faith.

ok thats understandable. But what about translations that come from Early manuscripts that were only Copies of the originals? I guess I want to know what the basis is for claiming that the Bible was tampered with? Is there history that supports this or what? Also how could the Bible be outdated when John 1:1-3 says “In the Beginning the word already existed. He was with God and he was God. He created everything there is, Nothing exists that he didn’t make.” If the Word of God is God then How can God be outdated?? Or is that one of the points in which they claim the Bible was tampered with? Just wanting some clarification as to Muslim beliefs on the matter.

That’s one of the verses in Quran that proves God doesn’t have a son.

018.001 Praise be to God, Who hath sent to His Servant the Book, and hath allowed therein no Crookedness:

018.002 (He hath made it) Straight (and Clear) in order that He may warn (the godless) of a terrible Punishment from Him, and that He may give Glad Tidings to the Believers who work righteous deeds, that they shall have a goodly Reward,

018.003 Wherein they shall remain for ever:

018.004 Further, that He may warn those (also) who say, “God hath begotten a son”:

018.005 No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. It is a grievous thing that issues from their mouths as a saying what they say is nothing but falsehood!

I may provide more.

Abraham didn’t have religion. He had a relationship with God Almighty. The same relationship That Christ offers us with God through him. Where Christians and Muslims then differ I take it is that We believe Christ is The savior of the world the Son of the Living God and God all at the same time. And Muslims Believe that Christ was the Messiah but only as a man immaculately conceived. My question to Muslims is then Why they do not believe the Words of Jesus as written in the Bible. Where Jesus Claims to be God the son and has been given all authority in Heaven and on Earth? Honest question I don’t know what you believe.

018.001 Praise be to God, Who hath sent to His Servant the Book, and hath allowed therein no Crookedness:

I find this interesting because there is also a passage in the bible that sates: (John 1:14-18) and the word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth, we have beheld his glory, glory as of the Son from the Father. …

More verses in Quran to prove Jesus isn’t Allah (God) nor Son of God( Allah).

17. In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: “Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every - one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He creates what He pleases; and Allah has power to do all things.

18. (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: “We are sons of Allah, and his beloved.” Say: “Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)”

19. O People of the Book! Now hath come unto you, making (things) clear unto you, Our Messenger, after the break in (the series of) our apostles, lest ye should say: “There came unto us no bringer of glad tidings and no warner (from evil)”: But now hath come unto you a bringer of glad tidings and a warner (from evil). And Allah hath power over all things. (Surah 5. The Table, The Table Spread)

Another verses from the same Surah:

72. They do blaspheme who say: “(Allah) is Christ the son of Mary.” But said Christ: “O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.

73. They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.

Another verses from same Surah as well ( these verses are very strong referring to the son and father issue.)

116. And behold! Allah will say: “O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah.?” He will say: “Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

117. “Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, ‘worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord’; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.

118. “If Thou dost punish them, they are Thy servant: If Thou dost forgive them, Thou art the Exalted in power, the Wise.”

119. Allah will say: “This is a day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: theirs are gardens, with rivers flowing beneath,- their eternal Home: Allah well-pleased with them, and they with Allah. That is the great salvation, (the fulfilment of all desires).

120. To Allah doth belong the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is therein, and it is He Who hath power over all things.

I been looking for this verse and finally found it.

Verse from Surah Chapter 9: Al-Taubah

[9:30] And the Jews say, Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say, the Messiah is the son of Allah; that is what they say with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before them. Allah’s curse be on them! How are they turned away!

[9:31] They have taken their learned men and their monks for lords beside Allah. And so have they taken the Messiah, son of Mary. And they were not commanded but to worship the One God. There is no God but He. Too Holy is He for what they associate with Him!

The explanation of verse 30 if anyone wants to read it.

Uzair (Ezra) lived during the period around 450 B.C. The Jews regarded him with great reverence as the revivalist of their Scriptures which had beat lost during their captivity in Babylon aftar the death of Prophet Solomon. So much so that they had lost all the knowledge of their Law, their traditions and of Hebrew, their national language. Then it was Ezra who re-wrote the Old Testament and revived the Law. That is why they used very exaggerated language in his reverence which misled some of the Jewish sects to make him ‘the son of God’. The Qur’an, however, does not assert that all the Jews were unanimous in declaring Ezra as ‘the son of God’. What it intends to say is that the perversion in the articles of faith of the Jews concerning AIIah had degenerated to such an extent that there were some amongst them who considered Ezra as the son of God. “Those who were involved in Kufr before them” were the Egyptians, the Greeks, the Romans, the Persians, etc. The Jews and the Christians were so influenced by their philosophies, their superstitions and fancies that they also invented erroneous creeds like theirs. (For details sec E.N. 101 of Al-Ma Idah).

The explanation of Verse 31:

They have taken their scholars and monks as their Lords the Holy Prophet himself explained its true significance. According to a Tradition, when Hadrat `Adi bin Hatim, who was formerly a Christian, came to the Holy Prophet with the intention of understanding Islam, he asked several questions in order to remove his doubts. One of these was: “This verse accuses us of taking our scholars and monks as our lords. What is its real meaning, sir? For we do not take them as our fords.” As a reply to this, the Holy Prophet put him a counter-question: “Is it not a fact that you accept as unlawful what they declare to be unlawful, and lawful what they declare to be lawful?” ‘Adi confessed, “Yes, sir, it is so.” The Holy Prophet replied, “This amounts to making them your lords.” Incidentally, this Tradition shows that those who themselves set limits to the lawful and the unlawful without the authority of Allah’s Book, assume for themselves the rank of Godhead, and those who acknowledge their right of making laws take them as their Lords. It should be noted that they have been charged with (a) attributing sons to AIlah, and (b) giving the right of making laws to others than Allah. These are to prove that their claim, that they believed in Allah, is false, even though they should believe in his existence. But such a wrong conception of AIIah makes their belief in Allah meaningless.

You find it interesting that Islam and Christianity share common traits? Well they do… FAR too many…

Yeah yeah, Muslims and Jews have been ‘calling dibs’ on Abraham for centuries… and neither side can prove their right… so its pointless…

Here the story of Mary and her miraculous birth to jusus : ((And mention) when the angels said, ‘O Mary, indeed God gives you the good news of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and in the Hereafter, and of those who are near to God.’ ‘He will speak to the people in the cradle, and in old age, and he will be of the righteous.’ She said, ‘My Lord, how can I have a son when no man has touched me.’ He said, ‘So (it will be,) for God creates what He wants. When He decides something, He only says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is. And He will teach him the Book and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel. And (will make him) a messenger to the Children of Israel (saying), ‘Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord. I make for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, then breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by the permission of God. And I heal the blind and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by the permission of God. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Surely, there is a sign for you in that, if you are believers. And (I have come) confirming the Torah that was (revealed) before me, and to allow you some of what was forbidden to you. And I have come to you with a proof from your Lord, so fear God and obey me. Indeed, God is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. This is the straight path.” )(Quran 3:45-51)

I see you taking this too far. Don’t you think you’re starting to offend?

…you offended because I’m right? Typical…

It’s stated in the Quran that he isn’t son of God or God.

…where?

Who said God need to show off? Stop putting words in my mouth.

YOU said he did it just to show that he could… that IS showing off. And if you didn’t want that impression to be given, you should’ve thought of a better response.

and if you want to claim something, claim it on your own not by belonging it to others.

You should provide better answers that don’t bear negative connotation.

Allah (God ) has no similarity and he can’t have a father or a mother or a son.

…he CAN’T huh? Who are YOU to place limits on God?

If you think your hermit shouldn’t have a son or have a wife because he is so religious then you better think that about your creator because he is the creator of you, him, everyone else, and everything else.

Nice run-on sentence. You should re-phrase it so that it actually makes sense. And no god created me, my parents did… try thinking up some original nonsense to spout. You’re covering no new territory here.

And also take it easy, it seems that you are one of these dudes who plays video games and takes his anger out on online people. I recommend going to these video games forums. It’s perfect for you!

It seems you are just another religious idiot who doesn’t think before you speak. You pontificate while contradicting your own faith… think harder…

But Islam doesn’t believe that Jesus is God or son of God.

I find that odd, since according Qur’an, Allah DID cause Mary to immaculately conceive. [AL-E-IMRAN 003.047]

Ok what the verse has to do with what you’re refering to? It doesn’t mean that he is the son Of God at all.

Islam believes in the Miraculous birth of Jesus and how he was born without a father. Not only that, Islam also believe that Mary is the chosen woman by Allah (God) to be pure and chaste.

I’d also like to say something about the miraculous birth of Jesus.

Allah (God) makes rules in this life and break it to show that he is capable of doing anything.

Our rule in this case is, having a mother and a father to have a child. The rule was broken 2 times before Jesus. How come? Let me explain. Have you ever wondered who was Adam’s father? He has No father. Ok, have you ever wondered who was Adam’s mother? He has no mother so this is even more miraculous.

How about Eve? Who was her father? She was created from the left Twisted rib of Adam as we all know so she had a father but she had no mother. So the rule was broken in 2 different ways. First one without a mother and a father. Second, one without a mother but witha father so there is another way left to break this rule which is having a child from a mother and without a father which was Jesus.

To marianna86, There is no problem at all. As long as we are breathing we’re learning so don’t worry about it at all.

Geez… someone’s certainly trying a little too hard… u___u

Got anything else you want to provide? You seem to be overcompensating with unrelated scriptures. The issue wasn’t about the doctrines (traditional or made-up) of Christianity or Judaism. Its was about God being a daddy.

So the Quran condemns the trinity (a vague concept to begin with), and condemns Catholicism. Righteous. So this ‘holy book’ spends a lot of time mud-slinging; does it mention any other major world religion besides Christianity and Judaism?

That’s one of the verses in Quran that proves God doesn’t have a son.

Uhhh… no… it doesn’t PROVE anything… it only provides evidence to support YOUR BELIEF that God doesn’t have a son. The only VALID reference you provided was 018.005 …very specific… but other verses specifically state that he caused Mary to be pregnant.

Claiming that God cannot be a father because he’s God, is meaningless. Like it or not, you just provided a contradiction in the Quran…

Surah 3. The Family Of ‘Imran, The House Of ‘Imran verse 67:

Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah.s (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.

This is the answer to the main question of this topic.

Nah Marinna, that’s now how I look at it. Opinions need to be shown in a good manner, don’t you think?

And I didn’t start an argument anyway so I can win it or lose it and even if I lost an argument online or even won it, what would this do?

You may ask about Islam and I’d do my best to answer it by searching, asking but once I feel the conversation is getting heated, I’ll stop. Online arguments are very pointless in my opinion.

Clean conversation based on knowledge and respect would be awesome and I would go for it but I don’t want to argue even if it will seem that I lost something I didn’t even get in lol. But yea, thanks for your notice :)

owww my God listen to this guys…Abraham’s papa made a living out of selling idol carvings…I was reading this book …not really bout Abraham just a few notable people in the bible and it mentioned something bout Abraham’s dad selling idol carvings…lol…but yeah gotta find the verse somewhere…actually when God appeared to him to Abraham it was a foreign God…like this guy seriously didn’t know who God was…I mean duhh there were no bibles or Al-quran at his time…he just trusted in a foreign God to take him to the promised land.

That’s why he was called the Father of all those who believes.

okay y’all knock yourself out thrashing my post in case I made a mistake (:-)

Mr.Online Bully lol..aww…don’t think his a bully just has very strong opinions…actually consider him a blessing…if you can beat him in an argument that’s an A+ because he makes you think and think and think and thats a good thing right??anyone with me???hellow…guys…??ok maybe not…but awww…

Oh and thanx for explaining to me Mouici…about the Prophet Mohammed your right it is two different things to be considered divine and to be a prophet.

(:-)Peace y’all~

Abraham alaihi salaam submitted himself to God, therefore he was a muslim.

As I thought. Exactly but I don’t want to argue here so consider yourself on ignore Mr Online Bully. I thought it’d be clean conversation but sadly it’s not.

You use the term ‘thought’ far too casually, Mr. Cliche. You’re just making excuses to avoid answering questions that YOU DON’T HAVE ANSWERS FOR… all too common…

To mouici, thanks a lot for providing the translation. I wonder where you get it from because it’s really hard to translate on your own.

As I thought. Exactly but I don’t want to argue here so consider yourself on ignore Mr Online Bully. I thought it’d be clean conversation but sadly it’s not.

I see you taking this too far. Don’t you think you’re starting to offend?

It’s stated in the Quran that he isn’t son of God or God. Who said God need to show off? Stop putting words in my mouth. and if you want to claim something, claim it on your own not by belonging it to others.

Allah (God ) has no similarity and he can’t have a father or a mother or a son. If you think your hermit shouldn’t have a son or have a wife because he is so religious then you better think that about your creator because he is the creator of you, him, everyone else, and everything else.

And also take it easy, it seems that you are one of these dudes who plays video games and takes his anger out on online people. I recommend going to these video games forums. It’s perfect for you!

My question is what was the religion of abraham?

He was the original monotheist… his lineage was forked, because of the two women who bore his offspring (Sarah, his wife – Hagar, Sarah’s servant). His decendants (in theory) were the founders of Judaism, and Islam respectively.

By the way in Judaism Jesus is not considered as the Messiah.That’s one other common things Islam has with Judaism.

…you… don’t know much about Islam, hmmm?

But Islam doesn’t believe that Jesus is God or son of God.

I find that odd, since according Qur’an, Allah DID cause Mary to immaculately conceive. [AL-E-IMRAN 003.047]

Abraham was probably a follower of either Judaism or the precursor to it (I forget its name), since Christianity and Islam weren’t around until much later in history.

By the way in Judaism Jesus is not considered as the Messiah.That’s one other common things Islam has with Judaism.

marianna That’s wrong… Islam identifies Jesus to be the Messiah, the Quran refers to him as the Messiah many times : (The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger; messengers before him had indeed passed away) Quran(5:75) (But the Messiah said, O Children of Israel, worship God, my Lord and your Lord.) (Quran 5:72) One of the explanation of the Messiah is because Jesus anointed the eyes of the blind to cure them (with God’s will of course).

Who said Islam doesn’t believe that Jesus is the Messiah? Where you get that from?

Islam does believe Jesus is the Messiah and it’s in the Quran. But Islam doesn’t believe that Jesus is God or son of God.

In order to get the the full conception about Islam, you got to know what is the exact definition of the word Islam. Islam means acceptance of and submission to God, and believers must demonstrate this by worshipping him, following his commands, and avoiding polytheism and that’s what Abraham did.

So Islam existed since then but the difference is, Prophet Mohammed came at the end and spread the message so it became a must to believe in him as the last prophet of Allah (God)and his servant as well.

Dear fantastic,

Abraham didn’t believe in Jesus for the simple fact that Jesus wasn’t born yet.

He wasn’t Jewish because Israel wasn’t found yet.It was found by his grandson Jacob whose name was changed to Israel therefore giving birth to Israelite. By the way in Judaism Jesus is not considered as the Messiah.That’s one other common things Islam has with Judaism.

If Abraham was Muslim then he’d have to believe that there is only one God and and Mohamed is his prophet.Did he believe in the prophet Mohamed?

You see both Jesus nor Mohamed wasn’t born yet.

The Origin in the right faith is to believe in one God without any partners. Ibraham did that without believing in Jesus as a son of God or as a God so he isn’t Christian. He isn’t Jewish either because he didn’t disbelieve in Jesus as a prophet nor as the Messiah. He believed in God as one without any partners which is the Islamic way, therefore he was Muslim.

Oh snap I’m so sorry yeah your right I asked my mum…she said Jesus is considered as the Messiah just not the Son of God.Absolutely right.Very sorry for the mistake.I thought the messiah meant that Jesus was the Son of God or divine.It turns out it just means the saviour.

My bad guys thanks for the correction.

So sorry dear fantastic no mean to disrespect.

Judaism,Christianity,Islam wasn’t found yet when Abraham was still alive.

Abraham just believed in God.

LOL…he experienced life without religion…he just had faith in God.

the Bible doesn’t really state Abrahams or anybodies religion. it just talks about the people who did believe