What do you think about it ---911?

Are you ready to look at muslim extremism in the light of truth?

Yes, are you? The threat posed by islamic extremists is in reality very small compared to other threats we face. But you seem to be one of those people who needs a ‘them’. You need someone you can point to and say THEY are the problem. And you justify hatred of an entire population of people because of the radical behavior of a very small number of them.

Despite what western civilization has or has not done in its attempts to spread democracy and Freedom to the world, let us look at the breeding hatred that has kindled a jihad against us.

I think you need to look and the hatred breeding within yourself.

The problem is, is that the average citizen does not want to believe the truth. It is easier to blame corrupt government, big business and oil tycoons, then it is to accept that whole societies are trained and taught in class rooms the whys and hows of hating America and how to wage war with us (the infidels).

You have it backwards. It is much easier to make an enemy out of those from different cultures than it is to accept the truth that your government regularly lies to you.

Hi, thank you, I know what a conspiracy is. And I have analyzed all of the “inculpating” evidence, such as the webdings text and Dick Cheney’s involvement with an ulterior secret service chain of command.

My opinion is based on this:

1. No matter what you consider, the United States and nearly 100 other countries c lost close to 3000 people collectively–a devastation that could benefit absolutely no one.
2. The destruction of the World Trade Center thrust the United States and World economies into a recession that has yet to be alleviated.
3. While, yes, the attacks provided the United States with tangible “justification” to enter into a war, the same people “benefitting” from the war experienced massive hardships due to the attacks.

While I would love to find evidence to incriminate the Bush administration, there simply is none here.

The attacks devastated MY family and tons of other innocent families all over the world, and what you’re doing is placing blame on a government because doing so is providing a more palpable scapegoat than the faceless extremists who facilitated the attacks.

oh ok… it took me to actualy read the describtion to understand that you meant 9/11.

my comment on that is that it was terrorism. and this 9/11 was a crisis. a crisis is predictable but at times overlooked at the problem. FBI knew about the taliban and some forms of terrorist plots however, they were not onto of it. (they overlooked the problem). and when it hit the fan (or the towers) it just gave everyone someone to blame.

this is why the patriot act was passed. this is why we ivaded iraq.

all different reasons not related to 9/11 yet, like all hawiians who go out and kill every shark they find whenever one bites an amatuer surfer, we were willing to go to ww3 with anyone and pin the problem on anyone just to get even.

9/11 was a tragic event. but the direction usa took to tried and “fix” the problem was even more of a tragity.

we are hated all over the world. and other terrorist groups are being fuelled by our so call carelessness and lethargic attitudes.

@” in_omnia_paratus” knew a girl leaving on one of the “11” planes leaving America… there are like 11 planes leaving JFK international any given hour…

Some of you are morons. It’s not muslims that should be blamed for the attack. 46 men and women in my town died in the attack, so I don’t say that lightly. Its radical extremists who are to blame. Radical extremists of ANY kind cause catastrophes on a daily basis..

And a conspiracy theory is ridiculous. Get off your idiot horses, and start doing things to ACTUALLY benefit other people. Placing blame on a conspiracy is just as awful and just as stupid as placing blame on an entire religion.

My overall message: think before you act.

The problem is, is that the average citizen does not want to believe the truth. It is easier to blame corrupt government, big business and oil tycoons, then it is to accept that whole societies are trained and taught in class rooms the whys and hows of hating America and how to wage war with us (the infidels).

While I don’t count myself among the average… I think that of course people want to believe the truth. More than that they would rather know the truth… this is why they question what you would have them blindly accepting.

Despite what you think… America is not exporting freedom… Americans are losing their freedom… thanks in part to the Patriot Acts and the Military Commissions Act in response to 9/11. RICO and wiretapping laws… body scanners threaten our privacy. Revamped terrorism laws threaten our civil liberties. If the story you believe is in fact true… the terrorists win… if they attacked us because they hate our freedom… they were successful in costing us that freedom.

We are exporting the oligarchy that has reigned over America for the last century. Zbigniew Brzezinski created the mujahadeen for this… though he probably thinks there is a larger east versus west campaign being fought… Michael Ledeen used the mujahadeen in his Iran/Contra scandal…in the Bosnian War… in his 9/11 false flag… blaming mujahedeen ringleader and former CIA asset Tim Osman… or Osama Bin Laden. I think we should be investigating Mr. Ledeen in earnest. His orchestration of Iran/Contra is well established… he was named by Italian intelligence SISMI as the architect of the Nigerian yellow cake fraud that tricked America into invading Iraq. Few people know his name… but we know that mainstream news outlets have no legal mandate to base what they feed their dutiful adherents in truth.

Michael Ledeen is being protected by our media. While we are sent out on a wild goose chase… seeking the phantom menace… Emanuel Goldstein… nee Tim Osman… nee Osama bin Laden… who is more than likely dead from kidney disease by now. We are not meant to complete any mission to capture him… the purpose of the ruse is dangle the unreachable carrot in front of our noses. Isn’t this obvious yet?

Americans… we need to stop letting the remedial class read to us.

@Caffiend… and the rest of the scoffers.

And a conspiracy theory is ridiculous. Get off your idiot horses, and start doing things to ACTUALLY benefit other people. Placing blame on a conspiracy is just as awful and just as stupid as placing blame on an entire religion.

Exhibit A as to why no one can take the scoffers seriously. Caffiend obviously doesn’t know what a conspiracy is. Your statement is too ignorant to refute… congratulations… that’s a first for me.

My overall message for you: I’d start out with just thinking… you can do the advanced stuff once you’ve mastered it

You are wrong about me Jimahl. I do not have hatred in me. Bur I am not as closed-minded as you are. You are seething with hatred of anything or anyone apposed to your views. We need to stop being Dems and Repubs, rights and lefts, and start finding common ground.

I see the mis-communication here Jimahl. “whole societies” was in reference to the society of muslim extremists. Islam, (as in all religions) practiced how it was meant to be practiced by its orignal teachers, is a peaceful religion. The problem with most religions is always the human factor.

When you condemn an entire culture for the crimes of a tiny minority, it is only logical to think you feel some disdain for that culture. Either that, or you are completely clueless as to what extremism means.

I agree we should find common ground, but blaming 1.5 billion muslims for the actions of a handful will never be common ground for me. I will never accept that type of hateful rhetoric. That is like saying all christians teach murder is ok because a few fanatics have killed abortion doctors. If you can’t see that, then it is you my friend who is close minded.

alright im not a conspiracy nut and and at first I was just taken back by the whole thing, but after 6 years I researched researched and so many things seriously dont add up and no one can answer them. I guess just look for yourself but man I know its not just terrorism because damn it we trained al queada and everything just doesnt make sense…

I know it was not what it seems and im not even going to go into it, I could, but I wont because its to long and people will debate me and im not about to do that. 6years I did that im tired. heres an easy one…

Why was the pentagon the national security of all military in the US is hit by a plane and we didnt do anything about it and being security there is actually 30 cameras in each hallways and I know that because I looked it up and theres only one camera? that saw this huge plane? I mean where are the ones on the grass on the road I mean what the hell…I saw footage they got from helecopters after it hit and I didnt see the grass messed up no tree was down I mean thats nbc footage…

hey look up building number 7 we demolished it day of this surprise attack and demolitions take at least 2 months…we did and larry silverstein says we did so…I don’t know weird stuff. and lots of it.

great answer Mikeh. And Jimahl. Look at all of the Facts surounding 9/11 and then make up your mind. Be careful while searching for facts on the internet. LOL. Check to see which side has more holes in there stories and which have more facts. and you will find your answer. Who speculates the most? Conspiracists or the 9/11 commission? Are you ready to look at muslim extremism in the light of truth?

 Despite what western civilization has or has not done in its attempts to "spread democracy and Freedom" to the world, let us look at the breeding hatred that has kindled a "jihad" against us.  

The problem is, is that the average citizen does not want to believe the truth. It is easier to blame corrupt government, big business and oil tycoons, then it is to accept that whole societies are trained and taught in class rooms the whys and hows of hating America and how to wage war with us (the infidels).

Sorry, aint buyin’ it… Using the term ‘whole societies’ to describe only the extremist elements does not make any sense.

Conspiracy theories are like those list of ‘’Imponderable questions!!’’ that people forward in emails, questions like ‘’Why does a duck’s quack not echo?!’’ They seem really bizarre and mystifying, and yet nearly all of them have a very simple explanation. The difference being, conspiracy nuts rarely accept the answers when they are finally presented.

It’s well and good to fill your posts with lots of question marks, but you can’t dwell solely on the questions. You have to start accepting the answers as well. That’s what defines someone interested in the search for truth versus a conspiracy theorist.

For instance: ‘’Why was the pentagon the national security of all military in the US is hit by a plane and we didnt do anything about it?’’

Well, why not? The Pentagon is just a building, no more plane-proof than a Rite-Aid of a Foot Locker. Less, in fact, considering its size. Just because it houses the people who direct military operations doesn’t mean it’s constantly surrounded by tanks and circling F-16s, but as a symbol for terrorists, they could hardly have picked a better target. Look how it’s rattled everyone on this post.

good points mikeh…

Look, there are plenty of unanswered questions, and the bush administration did what ever they could to prevent a legitimate and thorough investigation from ever happening. But that doesn’t change the fact that it was still terrorists who flew those planes into those building. And the buidlings collapsed because of it, not because the government had them intentionaly demolished.

I’m a bit of a conspiracy nut lol. I don’t know much about it, but it was all to much of a ‘coincidence’ for me. Like, not just the fact that it was 911 and all that. But the other little things, like I’ve heard that when you type in things like twin towers, hijacking etc into webdings on word, you get images of buildings, planes, and skull and crossbones signs. I have heard so many little things like that, that just make the whole thing seem a bit iffy.

Omg I know this girl, who was on one of the 11 planes that day leaving america, 3 of which were hijacked. her one was not! lucky aye!

It’s well and good to fill your posts with lots of question marks, but you can’t dwell solely on the questions. You have to start accepting the answers as well. That’s what defines someone interested in the search for truth versus a conspiracy theorist.

Accept whose answers and why must we necessarily accept those answers? If the plausibility of a given answer is in question… if the evidence provided for the given answer is in question… then we are obligated to pursue it further.

Unanswered questions alone are enough to warrant further investigation… especially considering that the provided answers have led to the de facto death sentence for a million civilians of Iraq. However… it isn’t as if these questions aren’t predicated upon contradictory evidence. For example… let’s reconsider the attack on the Pentagon. The most blaring problem is the lack of video evidence for the official conspiratorial answer. Eighty-seven surveillance tapes were confiscated by the FBI immediately following the attack. One has been released publicly. No jet airplane is visible in this video. If this was the only problem with the official take on the attacks then we who question the official conspiracy theory may be splitting hairs by calling attention to it… but taken with the myriad of other questions all predicated upon countervailing evidence and theory… to gloss over this detail is folly. I will not go into other problems with the official stories AA flight 77 take… the unscathed yard… the impossibly small impact hole… because the gist of the aforementioned pentagon puzzle has more to do with the feasibility of the pentagon as a target.

Let’s imagine ourselves as al-qaeda operatives planning an airborne attack on the US. We don’t have that much money… but lets arbitrarily pick our top four sites to attack. The coup de grace being the pentagon. We must assume that this is a once in a life time opportunity… so we decide to research the vulnerability of our chosen sites. I’m going to generalize somewhat here mainly because my mental ability to retain all the specifics is not spot on… but feel free to fact check me. We know about NORAD… the North American response to incoming attacks by way of air. Any attack occurring after the first becomes increasingly hard to accomplish. NORAD scrambles jets to intercept rogue airplanes. We can assume that any rogue aircraft in the Washington DC vicinity would be top priority. Despite the odds we attempt the attack on the Pentagon. Unbeknownst to us…[if you believe the official conspiracy theory] we are aided by a few anomalies. Instead of NORAD being able to follow everyday protocol and intercept suspicious aircraft… it had come under the authority of Vice President Cheney just two weeks prior. This complicated the chain of command and hindered a military response. Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta testified to the Zelikow commission that an aid to VP Cheney came in periodically to announce the ETA of what is now known as AA flight 77. His testimony was expunged from the official 9/11 commission report. Why? Two testimonies from the general in command of NORAD’s continental region… General Larry Arnold… and close associate Colonel Alan Scott… which conflicted with FAA tapes later produced were not included in the commission report either. According to Arnold and Scott… the military was alerted much earlier by FAA to the rogue planes. Why would they lie and implicate their own failure?… why not tell us about it in the commission report?

But back to the scenario… again…unbeknownst to us and to our benefit the Pentagon just happens to be war gaming the exact scenario of a plane being crashed into it on the same day. Beneficial because the military personnel tasked with confronting real terrorism has to first determine if this is real life or part of the military exercise.

The attack on the pentagon is successful despite the odds. The success was dependent upon these anomalies occurring… and the anomalies are the result of executive orders. This taken with all the other contradictions is why we question the official conspiracy theory of the attack.

But that doesn’t change the fact that it was still terrorists who flew those planes into those building. And the buildings collapsed because of it, not because the government had them intentionally demolished.

To believe this is to deny the laws of physics. The speeds with which the towers fell only marginally exceed the speed of free fall from their respective heights. To suggest that these buildings… explicitly built to withstand impact from airliners… would succumb to impact so completely… precisely… and fast stretches believability beyond reality. In fact computer simulations used to replicate the official explanation for the failure of these buildings had to include not only false but ridiculous input values to reproduce the intended results.

This can be better explained here:

http://www.ae911truth.org/

and here:

http://www.stj911.com/evidence/wtc.html

I could go on and would have to in order to do justice to the dissident opinion concerning 9/11. I cannot replicate ones own research though… and it is a waste of my time to provide more than a few talking points.

I understand skepticism. I don’t understand the measuring stick some use to rein in their skepticism. I am afraid that fashion rules the day sometimes.

@free fromself agreed i have researched more and it seems that the (official) 911 storys has the most holes but thats not all ive found out other things like extra fuel tanks on the jets had been snap shotted not only that but there were explosions in the lower part of the building before the planes even hit the buildings :D thank u all…