Religion vs science

–there’s a fine line between better and easily.–

Of course you miss the point diamond_kicker

I’m talking about contemplating outside the bubble of the earth we inhabit, and it makes sense within to, not morality.

The universe makes more sense based on the natural laws- with no god, no design and no purpose.

–it’s much more easier if you just stop believing in God altogether, we can then do anything without ever feeling guilty, ‘because we won’t have to answer to anyone in the end,–

so you’re saying that without god you think people would be unable to live a decent life? that’s typical, and only makes people making that claim look as if they wouldn’t live a moral life without a god in it.

God is not a moral necessity, but it seems it is for people who think so.

I don’t believe because I don’t think god, as in the concept, deserves credence.

Also, take a look at these Albert Einstien quotes:

‘’A man’s ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.’’

‘’I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own – a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty.’’

God on the other hand, has the answers to all those questions that explain WHY things ALREADY ARE.

Unprovable, untestable answers ARE NOT answers. They’re just guesses. THAT is why science and God don’t go together.

and that bieng said, you cant claim that Evolution or Creationism, is either wrong or right. you can just accept the fact that the both are theories, and they BOTH DESERVE to be equal theories, despite whatever opinion you have.

From a scientific standpoint, they AREN’T both theories. The idea of Creationism introduces metaphysics, or more specifically, natural theology… something that CAN NOT be observed, tested, analyzed, compared, contrasted, etc.

Which means… the concept is unscientific.

and they BOTH DESERVE to be equal theories, despite whatever opinion you have.

That is just your opinion, and a double-standard.

and if you have any opinion doubting any of the two, then you obviously arent thinking like a scientist.

Learn MORE about the scientific method, before you make such silly claims. Oh, and learn the correct definition of ‘fact’ …you use the term FAR too casually.

I’m not trying to appear smarter. It’s not my point to prove I’ve got more knowledge than you. For all I know you’re way smarter, I’m cool if I ever find out you’ve got better grades at least.

I’m simply trying to demonstrate, that religion is not just some sad excuse for whatever reason you can ever think off. It’s more than that. Not something that requires evidence/statistics/proof. It is beyond such.

Many people, including I, find so many gaps in the bible, so many inexplicable things in it. So many holes in religion. And us humans are like this, whatever we don’t or can’t understand we disregard as false or inexistent. But I believe that as humans, we can be better than that. That is my point. However ignorant and fake it seems.

I’m simply trying to demonstrate, that religion is not just some sad excuse for whatever reason you can ever think off.

It is for many, many people…

It’s more than that. Not something that requires evidence/statistics/proof. It is beyond such.

Then you should feel no need to attempt and validate your beliefs to those who disagree. You should feel no need to claim you KNOW its right… or to claim its ‘the truth’ …but… you do…

Many people, including I, find so many gaps in the bible, so many inexplicable things in it. So many holes in religion. And us humans are like this, whatever we don’t or can’t understand we disregard as false or inexistent. But I believe that as humans, we can be better than that. That is my point. However ignorant and fake it seems.

You need to re-think how you represent your faith. Faith in itself is a belief without knowing. Again, that’s WITH…OUT…KNOW…ING. And if your faith is strong, you accept that absense of knowledge; you are comfortable with the idea that there are things you WON’T and CAN’T know while you’re alive. There are questions with no answers. There are mysteries that will remain mysteries. You should feel NO need to prove something that cannot be proven. You should feel NO need to even try and CONVINCE yourself, or others. In the end… when you focus inward, blocking out all external stimuli, all other people, opinions, and contrary information; your faith should just FEEL right to you… and you alone.

nlocnil, there’s a fine line between better and easily. And I actually agree with ya, it’s much more easier if you just stop believing in God altogether, we can then do anything without ever feeling guilty, ‘because we won’t have to answer to anyone in the end, perfect for most people, really.

Granted, the easiest is not always the best.

As for proof, well, we love proof. It gives us sense of assurance. The famous human ‘need’ to understand everything. Whoever said it’s our destiny to understand everything anyway.

I read in a book: “Man’s misfortune stems from the fact that he does not want to stay in the room where he belongs.”

I can’t help but to somehow agree with it. Trying to be critic about things doesn’t always help.

lol

who says the study of knowledge (SCIENCE), and belief in a God not go together???

to me they go perfectly together.

science is just observing the matter around us, and explaining what ALREADY IS. God on the other hand, has the answers to all those questions that explain WHY things ALREADY ARE.

to me you cant have one without the other. all of our knowledge was given to us from years and years of studying the earth.

just because we find out something new about the earth doesnt mean that it hasnt ALWAYS been that way.

how does science disprove God anyway??? it certainly cant prove the theory of evolution.

lets have an open mind like a scientist would :)

and that bieng said, you cant claim that Evolution or Creationism, is either wrong or right.

you can just accept the fact that the both are theories, and they BOTH DESERVE to be equal theories, despite whatever opinion you have.

and if you have any opinion doubting any of the two, then you obviously arent thinking like a scientist.

I’ll always try to make people see things from another point of view. Of that you can be very certain.

Well, that’s the problem… you’re going about it the wrong way…

[Matthew 10:16]

I’m still waiting for you to actually MAKE a point. Something more than just hiding behind subjective quotes spoken by other people…

It doesn’t make you appear any smarter, nor does it validate or even support your position.

Where was it that I read that even if you don’t believe He exists, in your core you will always believe different?

hmm…can’t recall at all. But you should get my point, you’re clever enough I’m sure.

we can then do anything without ever feeling guilty

An individual doesn’t need deophobia, to feel guilty for one’s wrong-doings. Simultaneously, not all those who believe, view God as an ideological ‘guilt-trip’ either…

I’ll always try to make people see things from another point of view. Of that you can be very certain. I feel obliged to do so, not for my sake mind you, but for people’s sake. Sure I can never impose onto those who don’t want it, but I’ll try to make my point of view be seen anyway. I don’t do it for myself, I don’t need to. Blame me for trying to lend you my eyes. I don’t feel it’s wrong. And you’ve already made it clear, nothing I say on this matter will be good enough for you to accept it. So, it really is pointless to keep going. You have your view and I have mine.

Utopia: Give me ONE example where science has ‘proof’!!

You can’t SERIOUSLY be that stupid… u___u

Yes it was before the time of Jesus, but the text which tells about the earth bieng round was made around 300-400 years before the greek discovery.

…uh huh…

And which text are you referring to? Be sure not to confuse a circle with a sphere.

True science will prove the bible is right, not wrong. Theories, are where the problems come in.

Riiight… as we speak TRUE scientists are working round the clock to find the ‘’four corners of the Earth’’ and the ‘’pillars’’ the ‘’unmoving’’ Earth is mounted on. They’re also sending probes into space, to find the zipper, because the stars are all part of a tent that God put the world in.

SCIENCE…

Does god get a kick out of natural disasters?

Does a bajillion species of bacteria and viruses just strike his fance?

Reminds me of the creationist claim- that Jupiter is the solar systems vacuum, consuming asteroids that would possibly hit earth, while simultaneously claiming god is the creator of everything.

then why create asteroids in the first place? why’s he have to use a planet, isn’t he all-powerful?

simply put everything is better understood without god in it.

gravity is a conspiracy amirite?

Science is the Atheists religion.

To say this is awfully ignorent. You see, they do not have much proof for what they believe in, (which is not science) so they believe it in faith. They do not, NOT, have evidence enough to prove what most of them believe in (evolution, not science). Below is the definition for both science and religion. (dictionary.com)

Science:

1. a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws. EXAMPLE: the mathematical sciences.
2. systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.

Religion:

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects. EXAMPLE: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion

Lets look at def. 2 of science: systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation. Please, an evolutionist tell me, (I used to be one myself) how you are supposed to ‘observe’ or ‘experiment’ evolution. It is harder to believe we came from a blown up speck of dust trillions upon trillions of years ago, then believing that someone made the world and put us in it. Yes, I believe some relgion lines up with science. Look in the Bible; there are truths about the universe made thousands of years before they were discovered. Here is a list:

Scientific Truth: The stars are too great in number to count Verse/s: Genesis 15:5 Jeremiah 33:22 Hebrews 11:12 Date written: 1450-1410 BC 627-585 BC 64-68 AD Date Discovered: 19th Century AD This may seem obvious, it gets better. (When I show 2 or more dates, I am talking about one or more scriptures)

The Earth is shaped like a sphere (round) and rotates Isaiah 40:22 Luke 17:34-36 746-680 BC 60 AD 1500’s If my memory serves me right was when it was made widely known. “Luke 17:34-36 depicts Christ’s Second Coming as happening while some are asleep at night and others are working at day-time activities in the field, an indication of a rotating earth with day and night at the same time.”

The Jet Stream Ecclesiastes 1:6 935 BC Around WWII this was discovered

Life is in the blood Leviticus 17:11 Leviticus 17:14 1450-1410 BC 1830 whith a doctor named ‘Marshall Hall’

Air has weight Job 28-25 950 BC or earlier Mathematician Evangelista Torricelli discovered this in 1643.

Dinosaurs and humans existed at the same time Gen. 1:23-27 Job 40:15-24 1450-1410 950 BC or earlier 20th century (Don’t believe me? visit http://www.creationists.org/dinosaurs-humans-coexisted.html)

There is much more I can tell you, but for the sake of time, just visit this link: http://www.creationists.org/scientific-foreknowledge-in-the-bible.html

Please do not say these were assumptions made by ancient man. You have not proved God wrong yet. The Bible is NOT a science book, though everything it says about science is correct.

I believe in a creator. The Bible has the answers that people are looking for, but it takes faith. Then that faith becomes confidence. I first had faith and believed what I was blinded fromm seeing for so long. Now I know for sure that God made the heavens and the earth. We are no accident or from monkeys. We did not just get here. The word of God states were we came from, why we are here, and where we will live an eternal life. Genesis is a good book, it is the first book that tell all about mans orgin. I onehundred percent believe this powerful word because it has become real in my life. All of Gods promises are yes and amen. I felt the transformation in 2001 and still am growing strong in the Lord. I continually seek to know more and more about the God who saved me from my filth. The evidence that God exists and that it is all because of Him, is shown in my life. I along with many others have been given an opportunity to share our experiences with so many people about a real life change. God gives man a brain, and some men seem to have so much knowledge, but at the same time it does not compare with the abilities we have when filled with His spirit. The carnal man can not understand God. Yet the spirit knows all things. Just think about it, if you seek Gods word with a sincere heart, you will know that not religion, because religion does not have the power to save, but that God, is the beginning and the end, there is no one like the one that created you and every last detail about you. Have a great night.

True science will prove the bible is right, not wrong. Theories, are where the problems come in.

* Science is the Atheists religion.

Yes, that’s right. 5 times a day, I point myself in the direction of the Galapagos and recite the scientific method. On Sunday’s I get up early , put on a suit and go into the lab to listen to someone tell me how to live my life. I then fork over 10% of my net for that privilege.

When times are tough, I read biology texts for inspiration, and ask my friends and family to splice genes to help me get through it.

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Look religious folks, nonreligious folks really are nonreligious. I know that’s difficult for many of you to understand, but it’s really true. Science is neither a god nor a religion, it’s simply a rigorous approach to obtaining knowledge that is time tested and works. Even creationists benefit from the fruits of science. The reverse is not true.

Utopia: Give me ONE example where science has ‘proof’!!

Science is just knowledge gained from observing and experimenting on specific things. Science is just the knowledge we gain all through time.

jcrod…the Greeks knew the Earth was round, BEFORE Jesus time…learn some history, eh?

Yes, but it was just a philosiphy, not a discovery, (thanks for saying it though, I just researched it) until the 3rd century BC. Yes it was before the time of Jesus, but the text which tells about the earth bieng round was made around 300-400 years before the greek discovery.

*Science is the Atheists religion. The mainstream religions are for believers. Science is a religion for non-believers. There is no proof for either. That question is really asking which religion do you prefer: One that relies on ancient texts as evidence or one that is still groping for evidence?

I know there is a minimum age for site membership…but what about a minimum IQ?

no proof for science…

science cause they have proof and can back up their claims and scientist are willing to believe any changes with evidence. but religion you have no proof like the whole world flooded and noah put only two animals of every kind which is impossible. and they try to change osmeones mind they tell them fairytales not facts.

Science is the Atheists religion. The mainstream “religions” are for believers.
Science is a religion for non-believers. There is no proof for either. That question is really asking which religion do you prefer: One that relies on ancient texts as evidence or one that is still groping for evidence?

Those two are not mutually exclusive, it doesnt have to be one or the other… it depends on the religion I suppose… scientology and science might be mutually exclusive…

I don’t understand why they can not work together! A higher being created the universe…Science just explains in a practical, realistic way as to how is happened. Not why it happened. That we wont ever know.

science, because religion is man made. That’s not saying there isn’t a spiritual side or an afterlife, but the idea of Christianity, Islam and the like as an explanation is laughable, they’re patently false. The fact that so many people actually believe this nonsense is depressing

Utopia: Give me “ONE” example where science has ‘proof’!!

jcrod…the Greeks knew the Earth was round, BEFORE Jesus time…learn some history, eh?

THats the question that drives me nuts lol I mean I don’t know im like in the middle? so I just perfer not to talk about it