Is President Bush NOT interested in reducing need for abortion?

Rickd, you don’t think the the prevention of pregnancy (birth control) is a bad thing… do you?

until a fetus can sustain life it is part of the mother’s body… that is why late term abortion should be illegal…

and the “just say no” method didn’t work for drugs any better than it works for sex…

Lol, yeah just like he was onto WMDs in Iraq… guess he was wrong on both counts? oh well… even presidents are allowed to be wrong, sometimes… or in his case, all the time?

Abortion was never defended as a rape/incest argument… it was defended as a woman’s right to choose what to do with her own body… because until that fetus is out of her, it is part of her body, and it is not a person…

Perhaps if safe sex was practised there would be fewer pregnancies, resulting in fewer abortions (or does that concept make too much sense?)

Nowhere in our Constitution or our history have we defined a “developing human” as a citizen with full rights. Even children don’t have full rights until a certain age. Why would we change this now based on Scriptures? Certainly, we can discuss these questions rationally but why do we need to bring religion into it?

To answer the question, I don’t think Bush wants to stop abortion. It makes too much many and gains too many followers for the Religious Right.

I’m sure President Bush is very interested in reducing need for abortion. He is a Christian and abortion, no doubt that weighs heavy on his heart as it does every Christian.

Researched Facts:

A fetus is a developing human.

God told Jeremiah - He knew him even before he was formed in the womb - spin it anyway you like but it’s obvious Jeremiah was a person before, in, and out of the womb - to deny is to call God a liar if you so choose - I wouldn’t recommend it.

Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Scientists: In 1981, at a Senate Judiciary Subcommittee hearing, this question was asked of geneticists and biologists, “When does human life begin?” Dr. Micheline M. Mathews-Roth, Harvard Medical School, referenced medical textbooks that claimed that human life begins at conception. Dr. Jerome Lejeune, the “Father of Modern Genetics,” stated, “To accept the fact that after fertilization has taken place, a new human has come into being is no longer a matter of taste or opinion … It is plain experimental evidence.” Dr. Hymie Gordon, Chairman, Department of Genetics at the Mayo Clinic, added: “By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception.”

“Thou shalt not kill” (Ex. 20:13)

The Scripture says, “Lo, children are a heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is His reward” (Psalms 127:3). If children are a heritage or reward for parents, abortion destroys God-given rewards.

It is true; some countries have legalized abortion. In no way can that alter the Word of God. “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My Words shall not pass away.”

God’s plan for your life always includes redemption. He longs to forgive you for all of your sins, including abortion. Sin separates you from God and needs to be confessed to Him. He will always forgive a repentant heart.

lol rickd, as I keep telling your friend mebes, if there is a God, a lot of people will be surprised where they end up…

Matthew 7:1 “Judge not, that you be not judged.

It really is too bad “christians” seem to forget that one in their endless list of quotes from the bible…

as for the bible… Exodus 21: 22-25, reading from the Revised Standard Version, God said: “When men strive together and hurt a woman with a child, so that there is a miscarriage and yet no harm follows, the one who hurt her- (speaking of the woman) - shall be fined, according as the woman’s husband shall lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.” Verse 23 then says, “If any harm follows, then you shall give eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, and life for life.” http://www.lifeandlibertyforwomen.org/issues/issues_morality_of_legal_abortion.html

If any harm follows… the fetus is not being treated as a person here… however, since I dont consider the bible to be of any legal authority it really is besides the point

Lol, well fortunately I’m not the only one who doesnt think that until a fetus can survive on it’s own it isnt a person…

If you have an issue with that, take it up with the supreme court…

Ofcourse you choose to ignore the fact that educating kids about contraceptives would reduce abortions…

The right has always been selective with their hearing…

You can hate the sin and love the sinner? and yet you choose to insult me by calling me a sicko? tut tut rickd, what would jesus say about that?

As for “natural design” is that decided by your bible? the bible that contradicts itself? (there are two creation stories and two stories of the ark) or the bible the accepts slavery, or condemns women from talking in church? or perhaps the bible that encourages killing a woman who has had sex before marriage?

To answer the original question, I don’t believe that Bush was EVER trying to reduce abortions. He wanted to promulgate the religious view that sex outside of marriage is sinful, and those that do it have to be punished. It can’t be just the ‘unborn child’ argument, because then the best way to prevent and reduce the need for terminations would be to fully implement a program of education and prevention. I would love to see an end to abortions due to the fact that educated and protected people would seldom need one. Every Pro-Choice advocate with any sense would. Here’s hoping…

Lol, you want me to see babies and what? The fetus is not a baby… it’s a ball of cells… if I chose to remove a ball of cells from my body, fortunately I still have that right… And it is highly unlikely the supreme court will ever over turn it’s decision. Women have fought way to long for their rights to allow it to be taken away…