I saw uh gohst!!!

As I said jimahl,

I think it depends on how one defines the term ‘ghost’.

EG - I believe in UFO’s but I dont believe they are extra extraterrestrial in nature.

I believe that the sun exists because I have seen it. I don’t need a scientific explanation as to what it is to accept it exists.

Millions of people believe in a God, but often based purely on faith rather than proof.

The fact that you have no evidence that ghosts exist, does mean that they dont. The word ‘proof’ and ‘evidence’ will also mean something different to every individual.

Can you prove that ghosts DON’T exist? I respect your view but just like mine, that is all it is.

What would you accept as proof? I have already stated that I do not believe ghosts to be the spirits of dead people. If you are asking for proof of this, I also know of nothing that would convince me this was the case.

PS You say, ‘The mind can do some amazing things, and it will make you see things you really want to.’

Neither myself nor, I suspect, the 200+ witnesses that have seen identical apparitions in my family house for over 40 years wanted to see this.

Kiasu

In my families house, their is a man whom most or all of us has seen…we could all explain him perfectly to one another. we call him joseph, he has not hurt any of us though. he’s tall with dark faded jeans and a plad jacket and it looks as though he’s wearing a cowboy hat and cowboy boots. my father hates disquesing things like this but when they lived in the basement of our house my dad seen him on the side of his bed. my sister seen him walk behind her in webcam. and I have seen him in my hall way while I was trying to fall asleep. I believe my three year old nephew has seen him aswell as he says a man walked into the wall.

dont be worried if you see a ghost unless it has physically hurt you in which case it is a polterguist. bad ghosts usually come with a smell as far as I’v heard. I have also heard a few without seeing them which usually happens when I am extremly relaxed…the stage before I fall asleep.

ghosts gain energy and become more visible or stronger with this, becuase energy is neither gained nor lost you can not destroy it. the only way for it to go away is if it’s energy is absorbed by something else around it.

personally I have never seen a goast I do believe in spirits yes because without spirits there wouldn’t be a heaven or hell but im sure it cant hurt you along as you believe it cant but honestly if I saw a goast I would sh!t my pants and scream

If it was one or two people that had seen this jimahl, I would be far more accepting of your ‘I would question my own eyes/mind’ idea.

But over the course of many years with over 200 (that is a very conservative estimate) witnesses, are you saying that ALL of them need to question their own minds/eyes?

You also say’ ‘If a large number of my witness accept what they have seen (and in many cases, on more than one occassion) to be some sort of apparition and to them, that is all the ‘proof’ they require then who are we to challenge them?

If that is your threshold for proof, than you must believe in every single religion, cult, and conspiracy theory you hear. Because their are large numbers who believe in these things too, so that must prove they are real.’

You put up some good points but I do not accept this is one of your better ones. The people who believe in this figure are the people who SAW the figure.

What they saw was proof enough for THEM. As we both agreed, the word ‘proof’ is very subjective and I respect each of these individuals rights to accept whatever definition of this word that they choose.

Many people accept religion unconditionally, others search for and NEED more ‘proof’.

Everyone is different and everyone requires different amounts of ‘proof’ to believe what they decide to believe.

Hope what I said makes sense.

I’m enjoying this debate and you do have some very good points. I believe you would be a very intersting person to debate such subjects with.

PS I am certainly not one of your typical conspircy weirdo’s and consider myself very level headed on matters such as UFO etc. In fact, I am very skeptical of many other ‘true’ ghost stories I read and could not quote you any that have convinced me of the existance of ghosts.

I need to go now but would like to discuss both of our definitions of the term ‘ghost’ as I believe they are both very different.

Regards

Kiasu

I’m still unsure how you are defining ‘proof’.

Surely, individuals on a day to day basis will all have their own definition of this word.

If a large number of my witness accept what they have seen (and in many cases, on more than one occassion) to be some sort of apparition and to them, that is all the ‘proof’ they require then who are we to challenge them?

Individuals make their own decisions in such instances. Now, if we are talking about a full scale scientific investigation into this matter, I would agree with you that like practically all similar instances, little if any scientific proof is likely to arise.

However, scientific discoveries are constantly advancing and although some of these advances can be assumed to exist before they are actually discovered. (IE An as yet undiscovered planet exists due to the behaviour of nearby planets)

100 years ago, there was no ‘proof’ or even any idea beyond the wildest of scientific imaginations that such a thing as the atomic bomb would exist.

But we now all accept this to be a fact. Throughout history things have existed before scientific proof explained what they were.

Ref my reference to religion, my point was that people believe without proof. My witnesses to this figure believe what they have seen with perhaps more proof (as far as they are concerned) than just faith.

Why, therefore, should the majority of these witnesses that have seen this figure have their own definition of proof challenged. They believe they saw what they saw. I have more reason to believe because of my own experiences so have no reason to challenge these beliefs.

You have not had such an experience and therefore doubt this. You say that if you had seen a figure, you would be skeptical it was a ghost.

OK I ask you this, you are walking up the stairs of my house, looking up the stairs. It is known for a fact that there is no one (nor no animal) in the house and there are no hiding places upstairs for a grown adult.

As you are half way up the stairs, in broad daylight, you see the figure of a man walk across the top of the stairs from left to right. As you look up directly at this figure it disappears and when you get to the top of the stairs a couple of seconds later, there is no sign of anyone and the house is empty.

This is the most typical of sightings and at least 50 people in the last 20 years have seen this. Less than 4 of these people had any previous knowledge of this figure.

The people that saw it were workmen, friends, relatives, builders, plumbers, a priest friend, old people down to a 3 year old child.

They practically all believe that was they saw was, in your words, something supernatural.

They tell my wife and I, we dont ask them loaded questions.

We just accept this figure and regulary see it every few weeks as do other visitors to our house.

I know you have your view and I have mine and we will nether agree. I just wanted to post an alternative to some of the other replies to this question.

None of my replies have been anything other than telling you the story of my friendly figure that resides in our house. Everything I have said is true as far as I am concerned.

I have no hidden agenda to force people to believe and I have enjoyed your intelligent replies on this matter.

Kiasu

You say: Lack of proof for non-existence is not proof of existence. This apllies the other way around.

Of course it does. A lack of proof for existence is not proof of non-existence. I never claimed to be able to prove non-existence of anything. I can’t prove that Santa doesn’t exist, or the easter bunny, leprechans, fairies, and the flying spaghetti monster.

You also say, ‘I will stick to reality’. This is YOUR personal reality. Define reality?

Of course the term reality can be subjective, but there are certain things where there is no doubt that they are real to the vast majority of people. People, places, things. These are real. Then there are those things that people claim are real, but there is no proof for. Like ghosts, gods, reincarnated souls, afterlife…

Are you religious?

No. Athiest.

Are religious people totally delusional because of their beliefs?

Of course not. I never said or implied they were.

Religious belief is one of the most powerful beliefs known to humans. Religion is belief by faith as one could reasonably argue there is very little scientific proof for many religions yet millions would argue in favour of their faiths.

Of course they would. Most have been indoctrinated in it since birth. What does that have to do with seeing ghosts?

I have many witnesses who have seen this figure, their belief is not based on faith but what they have seen with their own eyes.

And this testimony you are giving is doing nothing to convince me. I believe you and others think you saw something.

You could speak to all of these but I suspect you would still not believe until you had seen it yourself.

Even if I did see a figure in the window, I would still be very skeptical it was a ghost.

If religion was based upon the same principle, it would cease to exist.

Religion is becoming less and less relevant. Far less people believe than used to. Church attendance is way way down over the last 100 years. Most who claim to believe do it more out of tradition than out of true belief. Eventually it will cease to exist. At least as part of mainstream society. But not in our lifetimes.

“For me, the witnesses and what I have seen myself are overpowering ‘proof’ which has made the ‘existance’ of this figure a reality for me + over 200 other people over the years.”

First off, it is not proof. It is evidence. There is a difference. You THINK the evidence is strong, and the likelihood of it being a ghost is very high. I disagree. Yours is not a unique claim. There have been thousands, maybe tens of thousands of such claims. Yet with numbers that big, there has still not been one single piece of tangible evidence. It is only heresay. Just as there is no evidence for the existence of any other supernatural phenomena.

I fully believe there are such things as ghosts but I think different people have different ideas of how they interpret the word.

I dont believe ghosts are ‘spirits’ of the dead for example.

Millions of people, including very intelligent and level headed people have seen ‘ghosts’ throughout the centuries.

I do not believe that all these millions need ‘professional help’, nor do I believe that many of them were ‘immature’.

My family house has been ‘haunted’ by a guy ever since I can remember.

People who have seen this ‘figure’ include a priest, various workmen, family members, various delivery men etc.

I would estimate that over the past 20 years over 200 different people have seen this ‘figure’ and less that 20 of them had any knowledge that the house was ‘haunted’ when they saw the figure.

Over 100 of these people have seen the ‘figure’ more than once.

These people do not need ‘professional help’ nor are they ‘immature’

Practically ALL cultures from the mighty USA down to small tribes in the Amazon jungle have stories of ‘ghosts’ and ‘appartitions’ in their cultural history.

I really dont think this is some sort of global conspiracy.

PS I know what I have seen on numerous occassions in my house and I am certified perfectly sane and non-dellusional.

Kiasu

“Can you prove that ghosts DON’T exist? “

Can you prove that leprechauns, fairies and gnomes DON’T exist? Lack of proof for non-existence is not proof of existence.

“Neither myself nor, I suspect, the 200+ witnesses that have seen identical apparitions in my family house for over 40 years wanted to see this.”

I know nothing about what these 200+ witnesses allegedly saw. No offense, but I am not going to take the word from someone one a internet message board. Is there any evidence? Photos? Without evidence, I will stick to reality over the supernatural.

“Practically ALL cultures from the mighty USA down to small tribes in the Amazon jungle have stories of ‘ghosts’ and ‘appartitions’ in their cultural history.”

The fact that there are many people who believe in the supernatural does not make it any more true. The mind can do some amazing things, and it will make you see things you really want to. The professional help crack was just a joke. Doesn’t change the fact that there is not one shred of evidence anyone can show me that ghosts exist.

wow dude . you must be so immature to not know that there’s no such thing as ghosts .

what are you, 2 ?

You are not seeing a ghost, and if you really think you are, I suggest you get some professional help.

There are no such things as ghosts.

Don’t worry. We have a ghost living in our family home ever since I can remember.

We just call him Fred. many friends and workmen have seen him but he is friendly but mischievious.

He does not have an evil presence nor would I like him to go away.

I still live in my family house (I was actually born in the room which is now the main bedroom) since buying it 3 years ago and I grew up here.

Kiasu

be caerfull hold your hair or they can make you bald (or is that bats)

I hope it getsu and takes you away

You should be afraid of the living, not of the dead.

lol first stop yieling… and go on doing what you were doing.. your gna live:D I promise

why don’t you ask it to be your friend,it would be sooo cool to have a ghost has a friend

A ghost wont hurt you, you’re fine.

jimahl, that is my whole point.

You say: Lack of proof for non-existence is not proof of existence. This apllies the other way around.

You also say, ‘I will stick to reality’. This is YOUR personal reality. Define reality? Define proof? These are all subjective words that mean something different to all people.

Are you religious? Are religious people totally delusional because of their beliefs? Religious belief is one of the most powerful beliefs known to humans. Religion is belief by faith as one could reasonably argue there is very little scientific proof for many religions yet millions would argue in favour of their faiths.

I have many witnesses who have seen this figure, their belief is not based on faith but what they have seen with their own eyes.

You could speak to all of these but I suspect you would still not believe until you had seen it yourself.

If religion was based upon the same principle, it would cease to exist.

Other than the witnesses over the years and what I have seen numerous times is proof enough for me.

I don’t expect you to accept what I have said, my point is that these people saw what they saw and I have no reason to disbelieve them.

I also have no reason to come on here and state this. Its not as if I am trying to publicise a book or something.

When you have deliverymen and women asking who the old guy looking out of the window was, when I see this figure numerous times throughout my life, when workmen tell me that they keep seeing the figure of an old guy out the side of their eye who disappears as soon as they turn around, when guests staying over tell me they saw the figure of an old man standing by their bed in the night, when one particular workman refused to continue with his work because he was too spooked…

And this is a small list of many examples. In all these cases, the people had NO prior knowledge that there was anything strange about the house yet they ALL report seeing the same figure.

It is not a particulary old house, built in the early 1950’s and my family are the only people who have owned the house from new.

My parents sold it to my sister and I bought it from my sister nearly 3 years ago.

The latest sighting was by two builders building a wall in my garden. They had all their bricks stored in a large fabric gazebo next to them and saw this figure briefly standing in the corner.

They thought it was me playing some sort of trick and come to find me where I was upstairs in my office on my computer the far side of the house.

The garden around the gazebo is open lawn and there is absolutely no where for 30 yards all around where anyone could hide.

But to answer your question, no, there is NO evidence in the way of photos etc…

However, how many witnesses would you require to tell you first hand what they had seen for you to accept that there is certainly something weird going on here.

Also, as I keep saying, your definition of a ghost is clearly very differeny from mine.

I have never claimed mine is the spirit of a dead person, just the image of an old man who appears on a regular basis. One cannot communicate with him and he acts as if he is unaware of others around him.

Almost as if it is a distant memory or image being replayed in different parts of the house and garden.

I don’t expect you to believe me but what can I do other than to just tell it as it is.

I am not a teenager, I have lived a life which included a large amount of traven and I have a lot of experience of life and other cultures.

I consider myself reasonably intelligent and level headed, not prone to hysteria and cool in a crisis. I have two post graduate degrees, one in management and another in Landscape archaeology.

I only state this just to point out that I am not some easily spooked teen.

No offense taken by your own views and opinions, however your use of words such as ‘proof’ and ‘reality’ are confusing as I have no idea of how you personally define the meaning of these.

For me, the witnesses and what I have seen myself are overpowering ‘proof’ which has made the ‘existance’ of this figure a reality for me + over 200 other people over the years.

Kiasu

well , my friend said that she seen a ghost that was very friendly with her but unfriendly with me …so i started taunting it and in the and we discovered that it wasn’t a ghost … was something else ….not from this world ( and no ,it wasn’t an alien )