How do religions exist?

You are right, if complexity needs a creator then god must need a creator, if it’s claimed that god doesn’t need a creaor then complexity doesn’t.

If there is evidence for god there is also evidence that a magic genie created my computer, my computer is far to complex to have been designed by humans.

Point blank there is no empirical evidence for the existence of god. It is claimed that god is all-loving, all-powerful, all-knowing, over-looker and creator of the universe. Yet he created a planet in which animals are eaten alive, with parasites, viruses, and bacteria, and where atrocities like the holocust take place without any response from him.

He created a planet in which illnesses have killed millions of children, infants, and adults. Centuries ago, plagues would have been god punishing the unfaithful, now we know that microbs cause illnesses. The world would seem better explained without a god.

Christians claim god has answered their prayers, performed miracles, is working in their life, has blessed them, saved them, watching over them, and thank him for everything. Yet there are poor children starving in third world countries, try telling them that god created them with a plan for their life.

You would think a Christian would lose their faith, yet a christian whose been in a car wreck thanks god for her survival while he lets thousands others die.

The god as portrayed by Christians can not be justified or reconciled with reality. That does not stop them however from trying to make a perfect deity compatable with it.

‘There are people born India who are Christians. There are also people born as a Hindu and grew up as a Hindu but suddenly changed to Christianity. Therefore where you are born does not decide your religion.” Where you are bonr in, I’d say, 90% of the cases determens which religion you will follow, you have to be completely ignorant to deny that. Oh, you also forgot to mention that some christians leave christianity and/or start following some other religion, too.

‘You can know which religion is right by a proper study of History. “ Rather amusing to hear that from a christian.

“I do agree that some people did make gods in the past but it is also true that people of those days were not dumb as we think they are.” Oh, good. Wait, why some? Being dumb has nothing to do with making up a god. It’s about lack of knowledge of not knowing how universe works.

“The God who made this universe is incredible as you said and is also sensible enough to not let man grope in darkness for who the real God is. God has revealed Himself but man does not accept that revelation and so is still in ignorant. “ Uh, I’m sorry, but, you can not know if it was a god or not. Also, you agreeing with the fact that if there is a god he has to be something unimaginably incredible, and then saying that he is “sensible enough no not let man grope in darkness for who the real god is” , that he has “revealed himself” and so on is utterly amusing. Seriously, do you think a PERFECT, OMNIPOTENT and ALL-KNOWING being, would bother creating a few close-minded humans, putting a tree near them and forbidding them to eat from it? Do you REALY think that such a being would even bother “saving” us from some kind of “sin”? Bother sending his “son”(why the hell does god even have a son? Do you think he’s a reproducing living organism or something?) to die for us? Honestly?

“You are showing total ignorance. Any who reads through the Bible will easily be able to understand that it is not a work of fiction.” AAaaahahahahahhahaaahahahah cries of laughing

“Thats what even a casual reader will be able to make out.” ..bwahahahahahaaahah… cough… hahahah… oh, oh, didn’t we need a holy spirit to understand it? So, now anyone can understand it, and that it’s “true”? Bwahahah

“Everyone who has studied the Bible is convinced that this book had been written under a supernatural influence.” Oh… my… god… I can’t… breathe… ah… ahah…

“The claim that evolution has evidence is a lie that all of us have been taught all trough our childhood. The contrary to your statement is true. There are evidence for God’s existence. There have always been.” Oh, look who’s just talking about being ignorant. Ah… evolution has WAY more evidence(actually, the cool thing about it is that it actually HAS evidence) that the idea that there is a god(christian one). Oh, oh, if you replace evolution with christianity in “The claim that evolution has evidence is a lie that all of us have been taught all trough our childhood.” it sound more like it.

“Who told you that anyone who dies, dies because of the wrong they do? There are many reasons why babies could die. Babies dieing has nothing to do with God’s existence in any way.” Oh, but wait, didn’t god create us all? Isn’t he loving and caring? Didn’t he know that babies would die? Why didn’t he prevent that from happening? Doesn’t he care? sob. Oh right, there is no such thing as god.

If you read scripture you’ll understand that in response to … “How is there a god if little inocent babies die that have done no wrong?”,you’ll come to understand that this world is under different management than you suppose. MAN chose to exercise “free will” and brought these things upon himself. When G-d has His Day of reckoning (good song BTW), the innocent will live again. Regardless of nation or faith based tradition, here is what is written “from the horses mouth” to those who would enjoy being innocent … “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.” Isaiah 55:9 ~

As for “The Real G-d’ causing death and misery, reconsider. “But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere.”

                                                                                              James 3:17 ~

Religion exists because we do, and reach out for answers from the “source of our minds” A master-mind alliance is formed with the ‘source” when one catches up to the One doing all the chasing.

For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Hebrews 4:12 ~

congratulations sir. you are an agnostic.

Religion itself was indeed simply made up by humans. This is easy to see with a quick glance into… history!

The Ancient religions of Egypt, Greece, Rome, India, and China, are all very simalar.. too simalar in fact. Just some of these simalarities include…they all have one primary god. This god is always the God of the Sun, or related to the sun. This god’s story is almost identical throughout the religions… for example… the story of Horus the Egyptian Sun God. He was born on December 25th. He was born to a virgin, Isis-Mery. His birth was marked with a star in the east, that 3 kings followed to locate their newborn savior. He became a teacher at the age of 12. Horus also traveled with 12 disiples performing miracles such as healing the sick. Eventually Horus was crucified and burried for three days and then ressurected.

Sound familiar? Many other ancient gods follow a simalar story to Horus such as Attis of Greece, Krishna of India, Dionysus of Greece, Mithra of Persia, and of course, Jesus Christ.

Why? Well all of these anceint religions derived from the same place, the night sky. The brightest star in the East is Sirius. On December 24th, Sirius aligns with the 3 brightest stars Orion’s Belt, known as the 3 Kings. They all align with rising sun on December 25th, which became known as God’s Sun. The Virgin, is the constellation Virgo, which is visable on that night and was said to give birth to God’s Sun. As we know, the days are shorter and the sun is shorter in the sky during the winter. On December 22nd, the sun is at it’s lowest point in the sky, which to the ancients, represented the death of the sun. On December 25th, 3 days later, the sun begans to get higher again, representing the ressurection. That is why so many anceint religions are so simalar, and, of course, Christianity derived from this as well.

Then why is it so strong today? Well because Christians dont like being told that their wrong in everything they believe in. Christianity was supported by the monarchys of Europe and the church had more power. People really didnt have a say. This allowed Christianity to spread and stay as powerful as it is today.

To your first point… a different name doesn’t denote a different god necessarily… especially concerning the various indo-european names of gods. A simple illustration of this is to compare modern English days of the week with romance language counterparts. Those gods are the same gods spanning the entire indo-european civilization though they differ in name. Woden/Odin/Jupiter/Jove/Jehovah… are all the same god. Jehovah most likely found his way into the near east through indo-european interaction. The etymology of the gods is interesting. Your point is better made by comparing christians to a south pacific islander worshiping a volcano god… but this is surface thinking. The abstract quality of that god would resonate with the destructive power of Jupiter and would in that sense be his equivalent. What is real? The physical or the imagined?

Point 2…People still don’t understand much. The randomness of the life experience is either explained from the atheistic counterpart to fatalism… ie determinism…ie no randomness… or by quantum mechanics that so far at least, suggests that our life’s outcome is unique and subjective and leaves a big “?” concerning the actual mechanics involved.

Third point is valid.

4: The counterpoint to this is the question of how we can relax the laws inherent in the universe at an arbitrary point in order to establish the cause and effect cycle. If spontaneity is possible at some point… why not any point? Deductive logic falls apart… and ockham’s razor becomes useless.

5 is a good question…

Your 6th point is apples and oranges… God and evolution aren’t alternate theories for the same problem. Evolution attempts to explain the diversity of live on earth. A god has been used to explain the diversity of life… but the validity of evolution can only disprove a god if it is necessary that a god was the direct cause of the diversity.

Point 7 is lacking thought. Saturn was a hellish god… from the point of view of man. Man suffers in this reality. Perhaps at the hands of a sadist god… perhaps in an attempt to distinguish goodness and depravity… perhaps for an unknown reason.. or maybe for no good reason at all… we just do. There are a multitude of reasons if you take the time to seriously contemplate this question. Not a bad question to ask at all… but it deserves more of your thought process than it is receiving.

say whut??? “You were raised a Christian but obviously reject that the Bible is the inspired, infallable word of God…food for thought.” I guess so. im not sure what your trying to gett across

There are many thought problems with the person who put up these questions and that is what led him to his beliefs. Let us look at it.

1. If I were born in india I wud have been hindu. If I was born in isreal I wud have been jewish. How do we know whitch religion is right?

There are people born India who are Christians. There are also people born as a Hindu and grew up as a Hindu but suddenly changed to Christianity. Therefore where you are born does not decide your religion. You can know which religion is right by a proper study of History.

2. When ever humans dont understand something they make a god for it like the ancient greeks romans and others. Ex sun god rain god. Now that we know what these things are we dont have a god anymore. Our current gods are for the afterlife because we dont know about that yet. Maybe one day we will.

I do agree that some people did make gods in the past but it is also true that people of those days were not dumb as we think they are. For example the people who wrote the Vedas about 500 years before Jesus were knowledgeable people who had written about various mathematical theories that we currently use. Studies have also shown that they had quite advanced knowledge in the field of astronomy. Incedently the writers of the Vedas also recognized the fact that a sacrifice would be essential to save a man form his eternal doom. They have also described about how God would come down as man and perform this sacrifice and the details match exactly fit Jesus.

3. If a god made this amazing, incredible, intricate universe he must be something so incredible we cant think of. Maybe no one on this earth is right.

The God who made this universe is incredible as you said and is also sensible enough to not let man grope in darkness for who the real God is. God has revealed Himself but man does not accept that revelation and so is still in ignorant.

4. You may say “if there is no god who made the universe?” well, I dont know but I have a question of my own. If god had to make the universe isnt there someone who had to make him and that god and the next. Its a neverending cycle.

That is a wrong understanding. Many people have this very same question and I am when they will understand the truth. God does not have a beginning or an end. Why do you thing He must have a beginning? Is that not limiting God?

5. How do we know the bible is even real. What if was just some random guy who made a fictional story based on reality and called it the bible because he thoght it was a cool name.

You are showing total ignorance. Any who reads through the Bible will easily be able to understand that it is not a work of fiction. Thats what even a casual reader will be able to make out. Everyone who has studied the Bible is convinced that this book had been written under a supernatural influence.

6. the only evidence for god is faith. Evolution has so much more to back it up on

The claim that evolution has evidence is a lie that all of us have been taught all trough our childhood. The contrary to your statement is true. There are evidence for God’s existence. There have always been.

7. How is there a god if little inocent babies die that have done no wrong?

Who told you that anyone who dies, dies because of the wrong they do? There are many reasons why babies could die. Babies dieing has nothing to do with God’s existence in any way.

1. Nobody knows the “right” religion. Ther isn’t necaserily one it is down to opinin and upbringing

2. That is exactly why there is religion- people trying to make light of the world and attempting to understand the universe.

3. Who knows?

4. Exactly, as a Christian I am sure you know that they believe in the design process and that everrything has been designed by God. A good point is who designed God?

5. There are certain parts of the bible that are known facts; jesus’ existance, dates of his death ect. Although the logic behind it’s teachings and messages were made up by Jesus’ decipals, therfore most words in the book are actually fiction as it can not be prooved as truth (also many parts that have been proved wrong such as evolution and homosexuals)

6. True, there is no evidence of God. Faith is what followers have.

7. My point exactly- God is supposed to be Benevolent and all good but he sees thousands of people die every day. he would not do that if he was all good and powerfull.

Therefore where you are born does not decide your religion.

Not always… but it DOES play a role.

You can know which religion is right by a proper study of History.

No… you can’t…

Any who reads through the Bible will easily be able to understand that it is not a work of fiction. Thats what even a casual reader will be able to make out.

An objective reader will find the Bible to be similar to Homer’s Illiad. A mixture of historical events, philosophy, and fantasy.

Everyone who has studied the Bible is convinced that this book had been written under a supernatural influence.

…everyone huh? Quit generalizing… it only makes YOU look ignorant.

The claim that evolution has evidence is a lie

There ARE aspects of evolution that have been PROVEN to occur in nature. Are there any aspects of CREATIONISM that have been proven to occur? NO. Don’t claim something is a lie, by LYING yourself… this again, further shows YOUR ignorance.

The contrary to your statement is true. There are evidence for God’s existence. There have always been.

WRONG. There is ‘evidence’ of BOTH. But there is ‘proof’ of NEITHER.

If this question is directed towards me…

What makes you assume Jesus is omnipotent? He suffered on the cross… toiled in Hell for three days… languished before capture. Are these evidence of omnipotence?

Who suffers when a baby dies? If you are going to implant a christian deity into the scenario… then you should consider the rest of the belief system when determining malice. The baby would not suffer… it would be delivered into paradise. Those who lost the baby would suffer… but only because of their humanity… their inability to have faith in reconciliation. Fear and dread are human emotions… Jesus was prone to them as well… but a key tenet of Christianity is to overcome both… to leave the material world.

This is a good question to ask… but not with such a rigid critical thinking set…

Why only the little babies?… do those low iodine… fata$$ bouncing babies deserve to be offed?

You mean biblical religions. pl seem to forget there are other religions that are not biblical. Why do they exist after science has proved them wrong time after time & scientifically explained nearly every event in the bible, not a clue.

I’m athiest. I don’t believe in any god. For all the theories that in christianity god created the world, science proves it to be wrong. Although I don’t Descriminate against others with religious beliefs

ok first off… my friends mom died of cancer when my friend was 11. she did no wrong, neither did her family. how cud an all powerful god takesomeone that young? for no reason

she did no wrong, neither did her family.

NO wrong, huh? That’s highly unlikely… and from a biblical standpoint… IMPOSSIBLE.

im not talking about thoses ancient like gods but about jesus. why would he let little babies die. just because he felt like it?

im not talking about thoses ancient like gods but about jesus. why would he let little babies die. just because he felt like it?

ok first off… my friends mom died of cancer when my friend was 11. she did no wrong, neither did her family. how cud an all powerful god takesomeone that young? for no reason

im not talking about thoses ancient like gods but about jesus. why would he let little babies die. just because he felt like it?

ok first off… my friends mom died of cancer when my friend was 11. she did no wrong, neither did her family. how cud an all powerful god takesomeone that young? for no reason

Get used to it… amblessed is a one-trick pony…

The equivalent of a person with T.S. walking into a room, yelling ‘’YAY JESUS!’’ …and then walking out.

I’m Buddhist and I don’t believe in God.

The simple fact is that none of us know what the “true” religion is, but we do what feels right by us, whether it be faith or moral value - it’s all the same, but it leads us down different paths.

Maybe there is a God, maybe there isn’t - but while we’re on this earth, why can we not choose for ourselves what path to follow?

The way I see it, so long as our beliefs (or lack of) can lead us down an equal path of kindness, love, and compassion, then why should it matter in the very end? I do not fear any wrath of a God I don’t believe exists, but I do think that if there were a God, there would be more to his system of ideals than to simply worship him.

why wud he let them die??? if he made the universe why wudnt he save them. you sed “You are showing total ignorance. Any who reads through the Bible will easily be able to understand that it is not a work of fiction. Thats what even a casual reader will be able to make out. Everyone who has studied the Bible is convinced that this book had been written under a supernatural influence.”

if harry potter or twilight was found thousands of years from now people cud interpert it as history or a religion. they cud have sed it was writen under supernatural conditions.

im a christian I sat I believe in god but to me I just call it rain of good luck because im blessed [lol] BUT reality wise god does not exist like really god does not exist. noone knows how the universe was made,but who really cares lol probably science theory but we should live for today ,and if people believe in god then wouldnt we all be living the suite life lol :L, and then we would all be family following the adam and eve story ,and then black and asian people wouldnt be here, because adam and eve were white

I could go on for ever lol but hey its what fun advice is for lol

* Any who reads through the Bible will easily be able to understand that it is not a work of fiction.

True. Having read it cover to cover multiple times, I will attest it is not a work of fiction. It’s a work of mythology, propaganda, poetry, and legend, but not fiction.

The OP has nailed the problem of the origin of god. Either there is an infinite regression of creators, or at some point, something has to exist uncreated. Why can that something not be the universe itself?

If you can ever get past your doubts, God will be there.

You were raised a Christian but obviously reject that the Bible is the inspired, infallable word of God…food for thought.

I don’t think you understand what I am arguing.

wow thats a really good way to put it.