what do you think about the bible?

*Which first–beasts or man?

GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.*

God made man first. If you look through the first passage you were talking about, you forgot on very important verse. Read the following:

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

What’s so important about this verse? It signify’s that the first two verse’s that you wrote are NOT in chronological order. How do I know that? Because it explains that he created the man and woman, when God has not even talked about the woman yet. In fact, the woman was made after the beast, the man, before.

*The number of beasts in the ark

GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

GEN 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, GEN 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.*

God did not have to say again that seven of every clean beast went in, he already did in verse two. He did not have to repeat himself.

*Order of creation

Here is the order in the first (Genesis 1), the Priestly tradition:

Day 1: Sky, Earth, light Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!) Day 3: Plants Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids) Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies (reptiles, insects, etc.) Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time) Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did)

Note that there are days, evenings, and mornings before the Sun was created. Here, the Deity is referred to as Elohim, which is a plural, thus the literal translation, the Gods. In this tale, the Gods seem satisfied with what they have done, saying after each step that it was good.

The second one (Genesis 2), the Yahwist tradition, goes:

Earth and heavens (misty) Adam, the first man (on a desolate Earth) Plants Animals Eve, the first woman (from Adam’s rib)*

First thing I want to touch ip on that you said here is about the ‘Gods’ issue. It clearly shows severel times in this context of purals. Read it. We believe there is three people in one God, making up what we call the trinity(When you see ||, it is seperating different parts of the trinity):

Isaiah 48:16 “And now the Lord God || has sent Me,|| and His Spirit.” (verses 12-13 actually identify the speaker in v16 “ME” as being the creator YHWH. Jesus what actually was sent, is called the creator in the New Testament: Jn 1:3; Col 1:16; Heb 1:10-12. The natural reading of Isa 48:16, is that the sender is the Father. The Jews simply had no way to explain how both the sender and the one sent (ME) could both be YHWH. This is a good example of doctrinal development between the Old and New Testament. Christians can easily make sense of the passage! So Isa 48:16 has YHWH sending another who is also YHWH. Of course Trinitarians know that all three members of the Godhead are called “YHWH”. Anti-Trinitarians, can do no better than the Jews in explaining how the send and the one sent are both called YHWH in Isa 48:16! Combined with Isa 61:1, it is clear that the ME is Jesus!) (If you want more verses on the trinity, I’ve’e got a load of them, fun mail me)

Now, to the order of creation. All god was doing in the second chapter was adding final touches. Making a river, planting a garden, and making a woman for the only man alive. By the way, he made the mist everyday.

*2SA 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

2SA 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:*

Why you think she could not have had kids before that day is ridiculous.

*oh and my fav bible quotes

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives. (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)*

To God, a sin is a sin. All sin deserves death, but Jesus came and made away to escape death(I am not talking about the death you are probebly thinking, I’m talking about the second death, hell fire). He gave you a chance, please accept it.

God Will Kill the Children of Sinners If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)

He is warning them here that if they sinned against him one more time, that his protection would not be upon them and that in them doing that, he would have to punish them. Whenever you sin, you donot hurt just yourself. God is willing to take others to get your attention.

More Rape and Baby Killing Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

This is not a comandment of God telling them to do something. He is just stating what will happen. Read the whole chapter next time.

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

Please read where it was first translated to English(that I know of was the first):

Exodus 21:7-9 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her. And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.

Back then it was custumary to buy your or your son’s wife.

*Wait, the new testament has its share too…

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse. (1 Peter 2:18 NAB)*

Back then there were Christian slaves to unbelievers. God told them to keep a good testimony. There were also Christian masters. God said keep a good testimony with them to, he still had to teach them it was wrong.

Likewise, you wives should be subordinate to your husbands so that, even if some disobey the word, they may be won over without a word by their wives’ conduct when they observe your reverent and chaste behavior. (1 Peter 3:1-2 NAB)

You forgot a VERY IMPORTANT verse that comes after this:

1Pe 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

When a man and a women come together in the bonds of marriage, they are supposed to give themselves to each other, becoming one person. BOTH of the above examples are very important in doing so.

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. (Luke 14:26)

In the greek that they were using when they wrote this verse the word ‘hate’ was ‘miseo’ (not misos which does mean hatred) pretty much meaning “to love less”. You are supposed to love everybody less then God if you really want to follow him.

The book is simply a way to communicate some “SIMPLE” truths to people. People that can’t seem to wrap their minds around spirituality. It’s not like the book has power as you’d see in a hollywood movie. What I find kind of strange is why a person would push so hard to go against it. It’s one thing to simply sit back and say you don’t follow it. I can sort of accept that thinking but to go out and work against it is very strange on several levels. Why not push against muslims or buddists? You know, if I were believing the things written in a book simply because of the powerful message I think I’d just have to admit my faults with that assumption. But the problem I have is that I’ve seen God. I’ve seen angels. I’ve seen demons (many times). I’ve had huge alterations and changes occur that there are no explainations. So the bible is there for confirmation more than witness.

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hahaha are you kidding me. you have seen god. why would this almighty god choose to show himself to you. anyways. there is nothing strange about expressing my opinion on a subject. I simply just dont believe it. and not is in no way a reflection of my inteligence it should be a reflection of my personality and how I stand for what I belive in . I dont care about buddist and so on because not only do I not know enough about them to have anything to disprove. I know what I know and I know that my beliefs are mine and if the majority or the world believes god made us and the world then why would I give a damn about any other religion all the other ones are just as fcking bogus and christianity. and to further answer why I focus on christianity is because that is what I was brought up as and everyone one around me. that doesnt mean I have to believe in it. as a child I didnt know better but now I do. and I believe that my disbeliefs are just as equal to your beliefs. niether one is more or less the truth because everyone is allowed to believe in what they believe in . so you go on following a book and a god that no one has ever seen and so on. and I will go on living my life not believeing. and whether that makes me a sinner or condems my soul that is indeed my business.

the bible has never contradicted itself or has by some way been hypocritical

…so you’ve never actually read it, hmmm?

A day is simply a way of displaying a specified time has elapsed. When you first read that the Light moved upon the face of the deep that doesn’t mean God created the sun or water for that matter. At that point the water already existed (which is another topic and take too long to explain). The Light is Jesus. He is the Word of God. The Word of God has been with God since the beginning. God spoke the world into existence. Thus Jesus being The Word and The Light. The sun and moon were made later. God made man in His image… an image with mind, body, and spirit. Mind = God, Body=Jesus, and Spirit= Holy Spirit. You’ll see this throughout all of the bible. I’d say that if you’re thinking there are contradictions then you need to really research it further. If you’re receiving your ifnformation from a devout atheist then therein lies the problem. There’s an agenda already established.

What I find kind of strange is why a person would push so hard to go against it.

The only time I push against it is when some thumper claims it is actually the word of god and is absolutely true. Or when people uses those words to justify things like bigotry, hatred, injustice, and war. The history of christianity is bloody and cruel.

I have is that I’ve seen God. I’ve seen angels. I’ve seen demons (many times).

Then I suggest you get some proffessional help.

you guys dont understand, the bible isnt just about rules and stories! the bible is spiritual, and we dont just give our lives to a bunch of pages as mentioned above, you give your life if you feel it is right and you have actually talked with, and experienced god in your life, if you dont have faith, then it will never happen and you will never understand gods true power, going to church and reading the bible is not being a christin, having a personal relationship with god and having true faith is being a christian, the meaning of christian is little christ, and christ is god, therefore we were designed to rule with god in heaven, when judgement day comes we wont be able to help you guys, its coming and I hope for your own sake that you will be ready

you say that the scientific theory cannot be proven, well just as equally the relious theory involving god and everyting in the bible cannot be proven either. just because it is written in a book . and I could not imagine anything more bogus than the bible and its hypocracy. you are definetly wrong about it not condradicting itself. hah.

what a load.

It’s a great work of literature. Nice stories, I’ve always been interested in myths and legends. And for fun, list of bible contradictions (to name a few)

Which first–beasts or man?

GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

The number of beasts in the ark

GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

GEN 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, GEN 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

Order of creation

Here is the order in the first (Genesis 1), the Priestly tradition:

Day 1: Sky, Earth, light Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!) Day 3: Plants Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids) Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies (reptiles, insects, etc.) Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time) Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did)

Note that there are “days,” “evenings,” and “mornings” before the Sun was created. Here, the Deity is referred to as “Elohim,” which is a plural, thus the literal translation, “the Gods.” In this tale, the Gods seem satisfied with what they have done, saying after each step that “it was good.”

The second one (Genesis 2), the Yahwist tradition, goes:

Earth and heavens (misty) Adam, the first man (on a desolate Earth) Plants Animals Eve, the first woman (from Adam’s rib)

2SA 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

2SA 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:

oh and my fav bible quotes

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

God Will Kill the Children of Sinners

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins.  I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted.  (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)

More Rape and Baby Killing

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword.  Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.  Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes.  For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off.  The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.  They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.  (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.  (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

Wait, the new testament has its share too…

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear.  Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.  (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed.  If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful.  You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts.  Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.  (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

Likewise, you wives should be subordinate to your husbands so that, even if some disobey the word, they may be won over without a word by their wives' conduct when they observe your reverent and chaste behavior.   (1 Peter 3:1-2 NAB)

Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse.   (1 Peter 2:18 NAB)

“If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.” (Luke 14:26)

there wouldent be days before the earth and sun existed, but it is an ok book but not in a religios context

I don’t think that the bible is hypocritical when you take each of its book in their proper context.

…and the proper context is what?

How do I know that?

…you don’t… you didn’t even come close to debunking the contradiction. You can CLAIM verses aren’t in chronological order all you want… but being out of order denotes imperfection and fallibility. You simply cannot sustain a book’s infallibility by playing ‘’best 2 out of 3’’ with scriptures. If the book was perfect… there would be no need.

God is willing to take others to get your attention.

That is idiotic… then what does he do to get the OTHERS’ attention???

Just a bunch of violence, hatred, hypocrisy, and so on… There’s nothing “Holy” about that. It’s totally misinterpreted and untrue. Especially concerning “Hell”.

I believe it is the “Living” word of God. A history book. A roadmap to happiness. A book full of stories of old. A book to teach us how to conduct our lives to our benefit. I love it!

oh wow I dont even know where to start. who says that god dislikes homosexuals, when it is said that god loves all his people and that he creates them in his image. I also dont believe that statement either about god creating us all in his image because if so why would he make someone gay if it is a sin, why would he create mental illnesses and hate and greed and so on. I personally dont think he does. I think we are who we are because many different things. mainly our parents, family, friends, environment, and so on.

in the bible it talks about and eye for an eye yet thou shall not kill. it say in the bible if you cheat or have sex witha women who is on her period that sheis unclean and therefore that makes you unclean and you shall not be granted the gift of children, you know damn well that doesnt happen.

and all the while I completly respect those who fight for our country arent they killing people. so where is the line. who says what is ok and not ok.

a family who decideds to pull the plug on a family member who is braindead, what does the BIBLE have to say about that.

things have just been added as time goes . do you honestly think (if thereis a god) that he said oh male cannot have romantic relations with man and vice versa if he made them to be with the opposite sex. do you really think he even knew that that would happen one day. it just has happened and people who think its wrong put it in the bible. just like im sure poeple back then didnt know now we would have cocaine and weed, and heroin. yet now drugs are a sin. says who . I dont do them and I am glad they are illegal cause they should be im just saying as time has passed what people dont agree with has been put in there. do you think thats right.

I personally just can not follow a bunch of followers because a book says so.

haha icrod you only further prove my disbeliefs in the bible and god.

Basing your life upon letters written in a book of any kind is pure stupidity in itself.

Life should be lived by experiences, not ink on pages.

The bible is not an ordinary book, it is spirit inspired, and it takes the same spirit to interpet it, that inspired it to begin with. It is not possible for the natrual mind to understan things that are spiritual.

The Holy Bible is a good thing,some people think their is a message through out it and when you read it it can scare you and make you cry at the same time,you know are Maker works indirectly through us all,through are hands;ect.The Bible will keep you out of trouble aswell,who want’s to live their life in prison or being chased by the Law.It’s History just like School you learn,why not except it,but it has to be the Holy Bible nothing else.Think about it:You know,only Humans canknow that we are Born and Die,it’s fora reason,Good Luck.

I don’t think that the bible is hypocritical when you take each of its book in their proper context. The fact is, the god of the bible is many things, just as we humans are. He’s capable of great violence, great mercy, great love and great hatred. In this respect, his behavior isn’t much different than the behavior of the Greek gods, except that the Greek uber rulers didn’t have millions of theologians glossing over their defects with carefully crafted game plans. So it’s not the bible that’s hypocritical, it’s the rationalizing theologians who are.

I think its a survival booklet for people back then but it need to change

It’s nice to think theres a higher power and a god to pray to, but theres just so much scientific evidence pointing in a different dirrection.

This is what I mean

and yes while I do think most of the values in the bible are needed and morally correct but I also dont think we should need a book to tell us how to act and what to do and not to. I am fully capable of knowing right from wrong and its just ridiculous to look to something/someone that may have never even existed.

what do you mean like what. how about the lack of proof or any type of documentation . and then there is the Whole scienntific method of EVOLUTION.

I think the bible teaches us some great lessons and is very interesting and a great piece of history, but that all I think of it as. It’s nice to think theres a higher power and a god to pray to, but theres just so much scientific evidence pointing in a different dirrection.

I like some of the principles taught in it, but I don’t believe that it is some sort of magical book that proves that there is a god.

Mainly it’s too contradicting and out of date for that.

B asic I nstructions B efore L eaving E arth

like what?

I agree dumb awnser…what do you mean contradictions?

I think it is an interesting book of fantasy/fiction, but not as good as lord of the rings. It is just as believable though.

Of course the bible is full of inconsistencies. It was written by mere humans and humans are inconsistent. The problem lies in thinking of it as words from God.