What part of the Christian bible can I find where it says that Jesus is the son of God but that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one?

I don’t think you can find “… a part …” of the Bible that makes this clear in the manner that you state. . The Christian Doctrine of the Holy Trinity / one God with three co-equal parts, derives from theological analyses of many parts of the scriptures and dogmatic statements subsequently formalized at the Council of Nicea in the Nicene Creed. . The analyses take the form of ….. . ….. either these various scriptures (and there are many short snippets): . (a) include blasphemies (as the term was understood during Jesus’s lifetime); or . (b) they are contradictory and throw the authenticity of the scriptures into doubt; or . (c) they are all true without any blasphemies, or contradictions; . ….. in which latter case (when considered together) they support a conclusion best summarized as a “Holy Mystery” to be accepted by “the faithful” as a matter of “faith” .

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You can find passages that support the concept of the trinity and you can find passages that go against this concept. The dogma of the trinity comes from church liturgy rather than from the gospels. To different Christian sects the trinity is defined differently and there are nontrinitarian sects who reject the concept entirely though many argue that the trinity is such a central concept to Christianity that no church that denies the trinity can consider itself Christian.

As with almost all christian dogma, the origins of the trinity are pagan. In the 4rd century, Constantine was very shrewd and during the Nicene Council they decided that most church dogma, rituals and holidays should coincide with pagan ones in order to make it easier for the pagans to convert. Including the virgin birth, god born as man, the eurcharist, the ressurection, and the trinity. Nothing in chritianity is original. Christianity is basically just recycled pagan dogma…

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John 1:1 kinda says something like that…in Acts there’s a story about Annanias and Saphira and Peter tells him that He lied to the Holy Spiriit..and to God, meaning the same person. Dang I wish I could remember more, I just learned about it yesterday! There are more passages, I just cant remember atm, sorry! :\

“As with almost all christian dogma, the origins of the trinity are pagan” HAHAHAHAHA

“Christianity is basically just recycled pagan dogma…”HAHAHAHAHA this guy’s a joker.

none of the pagan religions have ever arrived at a trinitarian conception of God.

It only takes a little research to find some examples:

Pagan Rome worshipped Isis, Horus, and Seb. They were treated as one god in three, or a trinity. They also used a round disk wafer with an IHS symbol (Isis, Horus, & Seb) and it was eaten as food for the soul. IHS is also a symbol for jesus and the wafer used in the christian eucharist is round with IHS usually engraved on it. Not sure how much more proof you need, but the Brahman religion (the forerunner of hinduism) also had the deity Brahma, Vishnu and Siva, who were call the “Trimourti”, or Trinity of God.

There are plenty more examples. In fact almost all religions have some kind of trinity representation in its dogma.

Please show me anywhere in the bible where it mentions or even alludes to the concept of the trinity. It doesn’t. The idea to include it in christianity was created in 325 AD during the Nicene Council as a way to get the pagans to more easily accept the idea of one god. That was also when they decided that Jesus was devine. Prior to that, most christians considered jesus as a prophet, not an actual god. So how could you have just one true god in heavan, and another on earth. So they decided to create a trinity using the concept of the father, the son, and the holy spirit. The holy spirit in the bible is only referenced as the spirit of god, not a separate entity. Other early christian doctrines also used the virgin mary as part of the trinity instead of the holy spirit.

If one can take their dogma blinders off, they can easily see the common links in most religious beliefs.

Jesus taught his disciples to pray: “Our Father which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.” Our heavenly Father, whose name is Jehovah, is described in the Bible as being superior to his Son. For example, Jehovah is “from everlasting to everlasting.” But the Bible says that Jesus is “the firstborn of every creature.” That Jehovah is greater than Jesus, Jesus himself taught when he said: “My Father is greater than I.” (Matthew 6:9; Psalm 90:1, 2; Colossians 1:15; John 14:28, King James Version) Yet, the Trinity doctrine holds that the Father and the Son are “equally God.”

The Father’s superiority over the Son, as well as the fact that the Father is a separate person, is highlighted also in the prayers of Jesus, such as the one before his execution: “Father, if you wish, remove this cup [that is, an ignominious death] from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.” (Luke 22:42) If God and Jesus are “one in essence,” as the Trinity doctrine says, how could Jesus’ will, or wish, seem different from that of his Father?—Hebrews 5:7, 8; 9:24.

Furthermore, if Jehovah and Jesus were the same, how could one of them be aware of things of which the other was not? Jesus, for instance, said regarding the time of the world’s judgment: “Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father.”—Mark 13:32.

Wowww. Just wow. I’m speechless.

I’m with you Ruby. This is weird.

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to be honest … I have no idea what you guys are talking about my whole family is Christian and I never heard of them talking about whatever your talking about … I guess I just have to put myself in the hands of god to understand everything !! but if you guys are making fun of this then wow ! mature … if your not … ok thanks anyways LoL

@jim … thanks O.o

yea really mature people right ….

no lol its fine … I have a bible I’ll look it up thank you :) <3

haha I know !

haha I know !

“It only takes a little research to find some examples: Pagan Rome worshipped Isis, Horus, and Seb. They were treated as one god in three, or a trinity” you forgot this forth triads of divinities, such as, for instance, the Egyptian triad of Osiris, Isis and Horus, which is somewhat analogous to the human family with father.

“Please show me anywhere in the bible where it mentions or even alludes to the concept of the trinity. It doesn’t. “ “2 cor.13.14The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.”

It’s only weird because no one has taught you the history of the concept before, as it was defined over time by a series of Church Councils in the first few hundred years of Christianity (with each Council’s decisions accepted by some church groups and not by others), so it’s new information for you.

No, that’s not what I meant.

Ok, sorry :) Enlighten me? Do you mean that you find the whole idea of “the Trinity” weird? Or what?

well @Trenth theres no need to start getting mad or anything I’m a Christian not a big Christian so I still need some learning to do , during the time I use to go to church I never heard any of that stuff that you guys are talking about maybe its because they’res different kind of Christians , I guess its something I have to look into myself than asking some people on funadvice plus I didn’t ask for an explanation I just wanted to know where you could find it ex: Luke 15:20 & 24 - the parable of the lost son - thats all I wanted so if you guys would have said something like that I could look it up and read it for myself and truly understand it better because from the bible those are the actual words it explains it how it is …

Oops, I’m so sorry if I sounded angry - I’m not, even a little bit! Just wanted to understand how you were thinking about it.

The father/son in Luke 15 doesn’t really have anything to do with the Trinity. It’s about G!d’s loving welcome for repentant sinners, like a father welcomes home his long-lost son.

If you want to learn about the development of the idea of the Trinity, look into the early Church Councils I mentioned. The different views about it are all based on different understandings of various passages in the Christian Bible, but there’s no clear doctrine or even discussion of it in the Bible itself.

ok thanks .. but I know the story of the lost son has nothing to do with what your talking to me about I’m just using it as an example of what answer I was actually looking for .. from you or any one who answered my question … but thanks

Luke 3:21-22 is talking about Jesus getting baptized. Jesus got baptized to set an example for christians. baptism is the symbol for cleasing of sins which was what Jesus did when He died on the cross to save us from our sins. God cannot stand to look upon sin, so that is why He sent His Son Jesus. He wanted all of us to accept Him into our hearts. accepting Jesus is salvation. once you have committed your life to Jesus, the Holy Spirit enters into you. This is baptism. in the beginning, God is both Jesus and the Holy Spirit. they are all one. you will find in Genesis 1:26, it says “let US make man in our image..” It is talking about the Trinity here. the Trinity is God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, combined in one person (God). it is very confusing even for christians but i hope i have helped you.

thank you … you have(:

ur quite welcome. :)