Ego is a character flaw

None of that was said in anger, it was simply a caustic but accurate response to an severely flawed point of view.

jmarien—you can’t say that to someone that does not believe in god. it does absolutely no good. they don’t believe he’s the reason they’re here because they just plain don’t believe in him.

remember not to judge other’s beliefs or lack thereof.

Not quite… we’ve yet to ‘beat the dead horse’ with ANOTHER dead horse…

boys…I think you’ve beat the issue to death.

Well since you made the assumption captain, there is an old saying, if the shoe fits, wear it. More in your time, it would be - if the glove don’t fit you must acquit.

And you’re still off track, what point did I miss?

That’s all fine and dandy… but I want to know if he is actually referring to THE TWO OF YOU specifically, or if he’s painting with a larger brush.

Wow… talk about torqued…

First, elaborate… to whom are you referring, when you say…

‘’Some on here prowl the Religion section to “crack a few theists’ skulls”. And when they see a posting that speaks to a God, or spiritualism it is automatically pigeonholed into a mindless, blithering idiot who authored it.’’

Ooh… you missed the point…

Typical posting - what point did I miss, you’d like me to address?

I don’t see how a description of the variations of physical compositions, of man, beast, and heavenly bodies (meaning the sun, moon, and stars… as it says), and heaven meaning OUTER SPACE, would give any indication that there are TIERS in HEAVEN-heaven. And that those tiers are designated to individuals based on how well they lived…

yes, it’s SUPPLEMENTED by another book of scripture, but is mentioned in the bible.

1 Cor 15:39-41

it talks a little about the different degrees of glory in heaven.

well then I guess I don’t ever count when it comes to christianity?

I don’t think so, mister. since when does any sect of christianity agree with each other on any matter?

Yes, but you’re of a different faith. We’re currently talking about the ‘regular’ Christian God, not the Mormon God-Expansion-Pak…

“Yeah… worship him or go to Hell… forever… like I said…”

actually, it’s not that simple or dualistic. I believe there are different degrees of heaven…most of us will go to some sort of a heaven. he is a fair god…he’s not so gruff and jealous as you all are making him out to be.

It would be interesting to hear your thinking on the subject, if you were God…what would you expect or ask, from your human subjects ???

In fact, I think Iwill make post with that title :)

The god of the Bible is an absurd caricature of the typical ancient tyrant king.

If there were a real creator, he would probably laugh at the ridiculous things people say about him.

then what is your problem bout hell, since its YOUR choice to go there or not?? God doesn send you there, you send your self there

That’s like saying its YOUR fault for getting shot, because you stood in the bullet’s path.

I call him a bully after he kills and tourchers thousands of people even babies, I call him a bully after what he supposivly did it Job, I call him a bully when he sits up there and says worship me or live in enternal hell fire. yea thats a compassionate God. You think im on a high horse and I think you ignorant.

If the christian god actually existed, he would send a person to hell, regardless of all the good deeds they did, simply becasue he doubted the existence of something as unknowable as a diety.

I will take hell over an eternity with an egotisitcal vengeful SOB.

…he gives us a choice… It’s all about choice.

Yeah… worship him or go to Hell… forever… like I said…

One of the manythings that dont make since. Ego is human nature. God is a bully

“””for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God” Exodus 20:4-5”” Now ask your self why would the most powerful being ever in existance be subseptable to Jealousy?

‘’Worship me or go to Hell for all eternity.’’

Hmmm… yeah… that’s a tad egotistical…

…he gives us a choice…

and ty’s reference to Exodus 20:4-5 is in accordance to the “thou shalt not have any gods before me”. it’s saying you can’t worship him and worship another.

why not worship him. he is the reason your even here. why would he let someone go to heaven who doesn’t give a crap about him. someone who just does whatever they want. someone who committs such horrible sins. why should someone like that go to heaven. parents punish there children when there bad well God punishes his children as well. he’s given us the choice so we’re actually sending ourselves to hell. LORD I PRAY YOU OPEN THE EYES OF THE BLIND… AMEN…

Well since you made the assumption captain, there is an old saying, if the shoe fits, wear it.

You left me no choice, but MY assumption was RIGHT…

And you’re still off track, what point did I miss?

I just told you… pay attention…

“Some on here prowl the Religion section to “crack a few theists’ skulls”. And when they see a posting that speaks to a God, or spiritualism it is automatically pigeonholed into a mindless, blithering idiot who authored it.”

seao2florida, are you now the policeman of the religion section? Are you to determine who can and can’t post?

Captainassassin, our friend here is using a comment that RG (religionisgood, boy do I hate that name) left on my profile. It was an inside joke between us, and seao2florida saw it, and has now been using it in his crusade to keep atheists out of the religion and spirituality section.

For those who judge an entire denomination, THIS IS NONSENSE PEOPLE!

Your right lordelrond, and those who lump all Christians together this is nonsense people

Some on here prowl the Religion section to “crack a few theists’ skulls”. And when they see a posting that speaks to a God, or spiritualism it is automatically pigeonholed into a mindless, blithering idiot who authored it.

And as to the different religions and denominations, I think we’re all talking to the same guy, we just use a different phone book to look up the number.

well then I guess I don’t ever count when it comes to christianity?

That depends on who you’re talking to. I recall a few threads about LDS, and many of the Christian participants, wouldn’t even ACKNOWLEDGE Mormonism as an actual denomination of Christianity; due to some convoluted technicality.

As for the current topic, you’re perception of God & heaven is supplemented by an WHOLE additional book of information, that NO OTHER Christian denomination recognizes. So yes, you’re the odd-man-out in this discussion, though your beliefs & opinions matter just like everyone else’s.

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Ummm… the problem, is that most of them will have NO CLUE what you’re talking about.

Like the christians said, it’s all about choice. Choose to prostate yourself to a being that is apparrently all-powerful yet refuses to provide any evidence he even exists, and avoids doing any miracles that could possibly constitute evidence of his existence.

Or choose to suffer eternal unberable torment in hell.

Yup, the christian god is big on choices. And he’s a really nice guy.

In contrast, nasty evil people like kidnappers and terrorists only offer you false choices like “pay the ransom or your child dies” or “meet our demands or we kill you”.

…and, if you equate “god” to the concept of “the way” from the book, Tao Te Ching…well, then, there is no worship involved, nor ego, nor free will of any kind.

Everything is nothing, and nothing is eveything…in other words, it’s all the same so to worship one thing would be to worship everything.

Depending on which religion’s “god” your talking about, and how you apply the concept, you get radically different behavior out of people, all based on different interpretation of their own version of truth. Even in the same religion, you get different behavior, depending on the historical period (Christian slavery, for example) or the sect (Catholic vs Protestant vs Baptist).

If God were on an ego trip he would force us to grovel. Fortunatly he gave us free will to worship him. Worship and grovel are two different things in my oppinion. When I worship God it is not a grovel but an appriciation for his love and blessings. If I were to grovel before God it would be like “please dont smite me o’ Lord”. God wants us to love him and to speak to him as though we would speak to our own parents.

ok, but could you imagine any other person saying that with your restraint?

…my… what?

I have… restraint?

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Ooh… you missed the point…

…and THAT is an example of how new denominations are created…

“for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God” Exodus 20:4-5

see jmarien? that’s why. you piss people off.

I think there’ a lot more to it than that.

uhm thank you for getting my point jester…

It’s all about choice.

then what is your problem bout hell, since its YOUR choice to go there or not?? God doesn send you there, you send your self there b/c it was YOUR choice. lets see, God sent his only Son to die for us b/c man screwed up, he took a beaten for us, gave and shed his blood for us and died rose again conquered death hell and the grave, just so we can go reign with him, and youre whinning b/c of worship and calling him a bully?? it isn a thing bout worship itself, its bout growing closer to him, and when you worship, its one of the ways to get closer to him and find out more bout him. first off, jester x you need to get off your high horse, and really realize what God has done, youre calling him a bully after he sent HIS son to redeem us and set us free, youre callin him a bully after, he gave us eternal life and if we accept him, we’’l never have to face death, youre calling him a bully, when he is there with us always and he never lets us down. if thats a bully, then we are using the term here on earth wrong.

captain just as usual, you refuse to answer a question. What point is it I missed.

And yes jimahl I have to wonder why you are here, it is not to debate. And those questions asked looking for an answer from soneone who believes in a diety, you and others here must interject that there is “no God, why would I pray to the Easter Bunny?”

So Jimahl why are you here other than to “bash a few theist skulls?” You prowl this thread offering nothing but “there is no God”. That helps a lot.

Get thedude to start an atheist thread, I promise I won’t come bash and atheist skulls.

I certiainly don’t mind debate of any kind, but you never have anything to offer, you’re sole purpose seems to be to ridicule, so no you’re not credible.

captain just as usual, you refuse to answer a question. What point is it I missed.

…as usual? WHEN ELSE have I not answered? Aside from this time (of which I asked YOU to provide more information about your last post, so that I can formulate the proper response).

But if you simply lack the nerve to be direct, and insist on childish antagonism alone, fine. I’ll respond under the ASSUMPTION that you included myself when you said ‘Some on here’

For those who judge an entire denomination, THIS IS NONSENSE PEOPLE! Your right lordelrond, and those who lump all Christians together this is nonsense people ‘’Some on here prowl the Religion section to “crack a few theists’ skulls”. And when they see a posting that speaks to a God, or spiritualism it is automatically pigeonholed into a mindless, blithering idiot who authored it.*

This issue came up in another thread (that you’ve seen):

A Conservative Christian said:

((Oh.. by the way… last count, there was 60 million of us.. just in the US alone…))

To which I replied:

((Funny that you say ‘us’ …as if Christians are unified… when in fact there are over 33,800 denominations; each one believing the others are wrong.))

You were quick to accuse NON-Christians of this, when in fact, Christians themselves are more prone to judging other denominations, then turn around and claim they are all ONE group, with regards to national or global membership. So their stance on this issue changes depending on the issue.

‘’Some on here prowl the Religion section to “crack a few theists’ skulls”. And when they see a posting that speaks to a God, or spiritualism it is automatically pigeonholed into a mindless, blithering idiot who authored it.

So theists are just as prone to nonsense and assumptions (case in point)…

why not worship him. he is the reason your even here.

…prove it…

…someone who just does whatever they want. someone who committs such horrible sins.

So you’re assuming anyone who doesn’t believe in God, commits horrible sins? Aren’t we ALL sinners by nature? What makes a sin MORE horrible than another, when ALL sin is equal in God’s eyes?

why should someone like that go to heaven…

Because God’s allows them… according to the Bible, no matter what sins you commit, all you have to do is repent… and all is forgiven…

parents punish there children when there bad well God punishes his children as well.

Riiight… good comparison…

When I was 12, I broke an expensive serving-plate that belonged to my mother. As I recall, my parents grounded me… they didn’t throw me into an demonic-inferno for all eternity…