Gays in the Military.

They’re not worried about everyone accepting them. They’re worried about being beaten up, tortured, kicked out of their post, or being killed. It’s not simply about people loving them and getting along. They’re worried about their survival and their careers. It’s sad that a person has to worry about their physical well being and being kicked out in this day and age. It shouldnt be an issue. But as long as a “dont ask” policy is around it tells glbt persons that their orientations are not acceptable and whatever inhumane treatement they get from being who they are is ok. The government that will not accept them as they are and will not protect them.

You’re misunderstanding me. I didn’t say the point of the military is to not be gay or straight, I said the point is to serve, and that has nothing to do with sexual orientation. Therefore, it shouldn’t be an issue. Gays shouldn’t be kicked out, but it’s also not a place where they should worry about everyone accepting them.

The fact remains that the point of the military isn’t to be as gay or straight as you like–it’s to serve your country.

Mandy, I completely agree with your stance. I couldn’t have said it better myself. But I think Akumo has a point that those who are out and gay would probably be accused of all sorts of stuff by homophobic peers. However, I don’t think that should mean they shouldn’t come out. Just that they need to take precautions to protect themselves.

I agree - I didn’t think about what Akumo had said until I read it and I understand both sides now.

Of coarse they can join, they what to serve their country! people are people no matter what their sexual orientation is! I think its SO stupid that some people think that gays are lesser of a human being JUST because they’re different!

If the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy was removed, I still seriously doubt most gay people in uniform would openly admit it. The culture, and mindset, is still, unfortunately, very homophobic. I think it will be quite a while before it changes, regardless of whatever policy Obama enacts.

first, I dont support them. bu ti will say this, they have a right to serve just like anyone else does.

I think they should be allowed, but I like the policy of “don’t ask, don’t tell.” If gays are just like everyone else, and their orientation doesn’t matter, there’s no need to make it public.

I mean, if a gay guy is talking to a close friend in the military and it comes up, fine, but when you’re serving your country, there are more important matters than making sure everyone else knows you’re gay and is ok with it.

Being gay IS NOT important when it comes to serving.

“STARIGHT MEN AND WOMEN WORK TOGETHER BUT JUST BECUASE THEY ARE STRAIGHT AND ATTRACTED TO THE SEX OF THAT PERSON DOESNT MEAN THERE GOING TO HAVE SEX OR ANYTHING.”

Not what I meant either, guess I shouldn’t of explained it.

What I mean is as I said:

“But a gay man that is accepted will tell his stories at night just like any other man, and what I was also taking in was that there are straight men that are just too horny for their own good, horny straight man gets caught with a gay man in the barracks will make that straight man tell everyone he was raped and end up getting the gay man in a coffin.”

I agree with you. If they want to serve their country, they should be allowed to. They should be held to the exact same standards and rules as everyone else in the military and shouldn’t be treated any differently.

“ 2-3 gay men in a room with 30-40 other people at night, at some point they will fool around with eachother”—

** AKUMO ,YOU’RE SAYING THAT YOU DONT SEE IT WORKING LOGICALLY AS THEY WOULD ALL END UP HAVING SOME MASSIVE ORGIE OR THEY WOULD RAPE SOME ONE. THATS MAKING THEM OUT TO BE RAVING SEXADDICTS OR RAPISTS AND THATS NOT TRUE! STARIGHT MEN AND WOMEN WORK TOGETHER BUT JUST BECUASE THEY ARE STRAIGHT AND ATTRACTED TO THE SEX OF THAT PERSON DOESNT MEAN THERE GOING TO HAVE SEX OR ANYTHING.

YES I AGREE THEY DESERVE THIS RIGHT. WHY SHOULDNT THEY? THEY’RE HUMANS AND YOU SHOULDNT BE SEGRAGATED FOR BEING DIFFERENT. EVERYONE SHOULD BE TREATED AS EQUAL. BEING GAY REALLY SHOULDNT HAVE EER PREVENTED ANYONE FROM BEING WHAT THEY WANT TO BE.

Being gay has nothing to do with the military. They are just as able as any straight male/female to do their job right.

yes they should they should be able to fight for there country no matter what.

GAY PRIDE!!! :)

We’re all talking about this but come on- we all know candidates make these promises but do they ever carry them through anyway? In these elections they promise so many things then when thyre in power- they do nothing. There all the same

andyzro

I hope you realized how uneducated you just sound - how could anyone take you seriously if you talk like that. Come on.

I don’t think he meant it that way. About the “orgies”.

“STARIGHT MEN AND WOMEN WORK TOGETHER BUT JUST BECUASE THEY ARE STRAIGHT AND ATTRACTED TO THE SEX OF THAT PERSON DOESNT MEAN THERE GOING TO HAVE SEX OR ANYTHING.”

I am 98% sure they would have sex.

nana gay its gay they go army to fight gay its gay again

we don’t need gay love in the army

That was one of the same arguments used to keep women out of combat (well that and other reasons), it some how managed to work… I guess not everyone simply has to have sex with someone else, just because they’re available…

What you have to realize akumo is that there are gay men in the military right now, that just don’t come out and say they are gay. There are also so called straight men, that act in homosexual behaviour while they are in the army also.

I do understand what you are saying though.

I highly doubt he’s going to come through. It was just a play for votes… Even Clinton didnt come through on that one.

That is not the point… if the “point of the military” isnt to be gay or straight, why are people who are found out to be gay kicked out of the military? why should people live in fear of being found out and their lives being ruined because of it? simply because some people might be uncomfortable? No one is talking about holding a parade, but people shouldnt have to hide who they are simply because of homophobic bigots.

I do agree that the don’t ask don’t tell thing - works. I just think it’s sad that they have to hide a huge part of who they are from everyone because of ignorance.

Everyone sitting around telling stories from back home, sharing memories and life experiences, they are stuck either lying or having to be quiet. They can’t be open and I think it’s terrible.

Although I realize nothing will probley change this.

By the way - I know plenty of gay men that have been or are interested in being in the mitilary.

“But a gay man that is accepted will tell his stories at night just like any other man, and what I was also taking in was that there are straight men that are just too horny for their own good, horny straight man gets caught with a gay man in the barracks will make that straight man tell everyone he was raped and end up getting the gay man in a coffin.”

This comment is stupid and uneducated at the least. In case you didn’t notice, one of the reason why women weren’t allowed in the military was for the same reason. Guess what? They’re in and it works. There are now plenty of men/women units where they room together. How does it work? Well, this you would seriously say was logical: People don’t join the military to have sex, they join to protect your freedom and rights as an American.

It’s sad that there are plenty of people in the military that have miserable lives fighting for citizen’s rights; meanwhile, those same citizens they’re fighting for could give a damn about their rights. Open up your eyes, a gay man doesn’t want to join the military to have sex.

And just a little information for those who were talking about the costs of those dying, if s soldier kills another soldier he deserves to be put in jail. I am so tired of those giving the same excuses about gays that they were giving for women and blacks in the years past. Maybe that’s why women and blacks tend to support the minority groups more than the white men.

As far as cost, it costs around $140 million to retrain soldiers to replace the ones discharged from the army for finding out their gay. As far as logic goes, why would you want to discharge someone who has military strength and knowledge to only be replaced with someone of a lower rank with less experience. No logic in that decision.

For those that are saying that men would be accused of raping someone, there are plenty of guys that are gay in college dorms. Those dorms are unisex and a lot of the guys are gay. Do they rape their roommates, or are their roommates accusing them of it? No.

As far as whether it may happen, anything can happen. But if something like that was to happen, then it should be dealt with accordingly. There’s ways to prove whether they were raped, and it wouldn’t be something that you could just say happened when it didn’t.

Again with the rape issue though, there are tons of women and men that room together, neither are complaining. The sad part is there are also straight males that aren’t gay that in the past have raped their fellow straight soldier. What happened to them? They were discharged, as would the same be if the latter would happen.

So to all of you who are still saying No. Open up your eyes to reality. There are tons of gay men and women fighting for your rights to simply sit at home and read this message, yet you’re saying that if their commanding officers find out, they should be shipped home and stripped of all their military ranks and earnings to be discharged. You’re saying that them fighting for you meant nothing, because you couldn’t simply give them the same rights any minority has been asking for since the creation of this nation–equality.

The LGBT should be able to join the military because the only reason there is a issue with this is because of insecurity of sexuality!

We’ll, think about it, 2-3 gay men in a room with 30-40 other people at night, at some point they will fool around with eachother and at somepoint they will get killed by the homophobic bunk-mates.

I agree they should be allowed, but I don’t see how it would work, next you will see riots of people yelling that the death of one gay man because he tried to play ‘hide the salami” with another man in boot camp was because he was simply gay and did nothing, which is usually not true, people don’t kill other people without provocation in the military, it just doesn’t happen, the equivalent of this would be punching your grandmother in the eye because she said “you look funny.”, despite all of this, there is no way the military could handle it, one gay man would do one thing wrong (sexually) and end up dead, then the rest of the straight military men will see it as an approval when the military tells the media he provoked his own death to go ahead and take out the rest of the gay men.

To which point, it would cost more money for the government, me and you as taxpayers and families of dead men.

Don’t take me wrong, I don’t judge, I just don’t see it working logically. With the problem of gay/straight bunking it would end up segregated at some point, then the riots would be about “Gay Rights!”, they would have their own gay Martin Luther King.

And with my imagination comes my responsibility.

Thats true mandy, and I did take that into consideration before I went ahead and explained.

Gay men in the military now will show no sign of being gay, they don’t wanna get the boot.

But a gay man that is accepted will tell his stories at night just like any other man, and what I was also taking in was that there are straight men that are just too horny for their own good, horny straight man gets caught with a gay man in the barracks will make that straight man tell everyone he was raped and end up getting the gay man in a coffin.

Straight guys will never admit they did anything remotely homosexual, in fact they will deny it so much that everyone will figure he must be telling the truth, now any straight man is a little homophobic, even me, I don’t care if someones gay, I don’t care what they do in their own time because I don’t judge, but try it on me and I wont like you at all anymore, and that makes me homophobic to a point. Any straight person will always be a little homophobic, which brings me to my conclusion.

One gay man tries one gay idea, 30 straight men beat him to death.

And I agree there Ty, but what they did for women was segregation as I mentioned, ladies/mens bunks separate in most cases. That would be hard to do with men, on account there could never be enough gay men to take up a room, would cost money as I stated above.